Bestiality: Wrong or Right?

[Lucipher]

That is really weird. I mean how would a dog know how to... with a woman....from behind...its...weird...because it would have to be..from the ..front..and dogs can't...from the...front. (Painfully vomits on everyone.)
(And then vomits on Alcar)

P.S. When I die, I want to come back as a dirty girl's pet horse, so that she can ride me every day. You know what I mean.
By the way, animals with humans can be sexually attractive, for example, would you say no to a naked woman lying next to a tiger or a leopard? Or a clotheless woman with a cobra coiled around her?

[paramiteabe]

Your absolutely right Alcar. Jesus Christ viewed everyone equel but Christ never did say that what we do is right. It is until we realise what we do is wrong is when he forgives us. If you have conflicting views with religion then fine. Just talk to Christ and he would answer your questions towards religion. In reality God views all of us as the same and it is until we realise that we will have conflicting views among us.

[Havoc]

Those life styals are wrong period. And Jacob you want to know what we would do if you went to a gathering of christians? Well we would simply become your friend and we would give you a prayer. But it would simply be up to you.

Now its up to you to make the decision on wether this is right or not. We christian can only deliver the message of God to you. Its up to you to let Christ in your life.

Paramiteabe...

Wrong in who's opinion? Yours right? I wanna bet the ppl doing the ppl doing it certainly don't agree with you and neither do I. I have the feeling most ppl (for some sick reason) always get the idea of two men f*cking each other in the rear as soon as they hear someone is gay. You can be gay and just love each other you know...
My two next door naighboors are gay... nothing wrong with them either. So why would a man and a women who love each other should get married, but a man and a man (or a women and a women) who love each other can not? Where is the logic in that? Are we going back to the mid age's when black ppl where the one's picked on?

Now its up to you to make the decision on wether this is right or not. We christian can only deliver the message of God to you. Its up to you to let Christ in your life.

And why the heck do you ALWAYS have to bring religion into a topic like this! You did that back in the Iraqi topics as well...

[Lucipher]

Wrong in who's opinion? Yours right? I wanna bet the ppl doing the ppl doing it certainly don't agree with you and neither do I. I have the feeling most ppl (for some sick reason) always get the idea of two men f*cking each other in the rear as soon as they hear someone is gay. You can be gay and just love each other you know...
My two next door naighboors are gay... nothing wrong with them either. So why would a man and a women who love each other should get married, but a man and a man (or a women and a women) who love each other can not? Where is the logic in that? Are we going back to the mid age's when black ppl where the one's picked on?



And why the heck do you ALWAYS have to bring religion into a topic like this! You did that back in the Iraqi topics as well...

If I were you Havoc, I would raid and destroy your gay scum neighbours house.

[Sl'askia]

Couple of quotes. The first is from me, written in response to a homophobic on another board who refered to homosexuals as nothing but animals:

"No matter what color our skin is, what religion we believe in, or what our sexual orintation is: we are all human. This is what those that discriminate against homosexuals need to remember. I am a strong believer that homosexuality something a person is born with, not something that they just suddenly 'decide' to be (I will accept there are those out there that act gay because they think it's 'fashionable'. No I don't think that is ok, for it tints the views others have of homosexuals IMO).

I will admit that when I met my first homosexual I was frightened: he displayed very exaggerated feminine behavior. (And this guy was a First Sergaent in the AF...thinking back now I wonder how he managed to hold that position, considering the 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' policy...which I think is wrong anyway) But that was because I really didn't know anything about homosexuality. Human beings have a tendiacy to fear and hate what they don't understand, but I never went into the 'hate' part and after finding out more about them I understood what homosexuality was. As far as I am concerned, it is just falling in love with someone who is the same sex. Love is a wonderful thing...why deny a homosexual the ability to express that love to who they love? Are they not human like the rest of us? Yes they are, no matter what you think or feel about them.

Yes, public acts of lewdness is against the law...but straights are just as guilty of doing such acts as homosexuals. But for those that do the right thing and wait until they get into the privacy of their home to express their love for each other in that way...what is the problem? Why should what they do in the bedroom concern you? It shouldn't...for it's between them and them alone: as long as it's between two consenting non-related adults. "

Second one, in response to the religion bit that keeps creeping up:

"Do not accept authority merely because it comes from a great man, or is written in a sacred book, for truth is different for each man and woman." - Buddhist Monk

[paramiteabe]

Wrong in who's opinion? Yours right? I wanna bet the ppl doing the ppl doing it certainly don't agree with you and neither do I. I have the feeling most ppl (for some sick reason) always get the idea of two men f*cking each other in the rear as soon as they hear someone is gay. You can be gay and just love each other you know...
My two next door naighboors are gay... nothing wrong with them either. So why would a man and a women who love each other should get married, but a man and a man (or a women and a women) who love each other can not? Where is the logic in that? Are we going back to the mid age's when black ppl where the one's picked on?



And why the heck do you ALWAYS have to bring religion into a topic like this! You did that back in the Iraqi topics as well...

Because it is an important issue.

[Jacob]

'I always have to bring religion into these topics because I simply want to.'

You always bring idiocy and biggotedness to topics as well...try not to.

[paramiteabe]

Well before I edited my statement I made because I don't want to get into any debate why is it wrong for me to talk about my faith?

[paramiteabe]

Before I go any further which I won't, tell me why do you state that I am wrong and say your right and when it comes to me its the other way around. I hate to tell you we are all in the same boat so its pretty much irrelevant.

[oddguy]

-oddguy

[Lucipher]

Just before people get the idea that I 'hate' homosexuals...lemme just say that I don't. I don't go out and persecute gays...and hate crimes against homosexuals is wrong. Dude, they're still people.

-oddguy

No they are not people. Also isn't anyone paying attention to my thread at the top of this page? PLEASE LISTEN TO MEEEEEE!

[Alcar]

Homosexuals are people. You're not a person, because you show all the characteristics of an animal. No emotions, or feelings. Animal.

Alcar...

[Havoc]

No they are not people. Also isn't anyone paying attention to my thread at the top of this page? PLEASE LISTEN TO MEEEEEE!

Obviosly you realy have something against gayism (blah... don't feel like spelling), unless you can give me a few good reasons to realy realy hate them, just shut up about it cuz if you can't give a reason, you just think they are freaky cuz they are diffrent then you and your save little life style. Everything diffrent then your save life style is weird... more ppl are like that. I HATE THAT! ARGH!

[oddguy]

Gays are evil and should be punished.

Ummmm, whoa! I may not be a supporter of homosexuality, but I don't say they are evil!

Funny thing happened to me yesterday. My dad had an old college friend visit him. The guy was a teacher in every subject, so he was smart. He even spoke russian. Anyway, he was an all around nice guy. Ya know what? He was Gay. What a wake up call for me! It made me think about the stuff I'd been saying in this thread.

I've come to the conclusion...it's not really our place to judge who is good or evil. Our job is to examine and better ourselves. God will decide who is good and evil through their actions.

-oddguy

[ClaireBear]

Ummmm, whoa! I may not be a supporter of homosexuality, but I don't say they are evil!

Funny thing happened to me yesterday. My dad had an old college friend visit him. The guy was a teacher in every subject, so he was smart. He even spoke russian. Anyway, he was an all around nice guy. Ya know what? He was Gay. What a wake up call for me! It made me think about the stuff I'd been saying in this thread.

I've come to the conclusion...it's not really our place to judge who is good or evil. Our job is to examine and better ourselves. God will decide who is good and evil through their actions.

-oddguy

First and foremost OG... the PM wasn't in connection with this thread... it was another and I wasn't suggesting that you be warned... maye I wasn't making myself 100% clear.

But anyhoo...

I think you're making progress here... its good to read that you're less bigotted and much more open to differing views and ideas... and its even more great to read that you're going to leave all the decision making to an entity devised in the DarkAges through a coralation of a number of well known tales and stories to control the masses... smart move.

My opinion is that everyone deserves respect purely and simply because if you're intelligent you can empathise with peoples feelings and understand the effects of derogitory actions by putting yourself in the place of the individual being persecuted... not because a book tells me so.

But thats just my opinion...

Homosexuals deserve respect and tolerance, Paedophiles deserve to be castrated and beastiality... the juries still out on that one for me... at th moment I'm on the side of "Eeeeeugh! Surely gotta hurt the animals!"

[Statikk HDM]

Oh, come on! How can the jury be out on this one? You know why people see bestiality as wrong? Its because its hardwired into sane humans to view sexually deviant acts like pedophillia, zoophillia, and incest as perversions. There is not a friggin' chance that bestiality isn't a tremendously revolting and sinful act. It is banned by all major monotheistic religions and most societies in general., thus it is wrong.

[Havoc]

Once again... can we keep religion out of this and talk about this subject using our own set standarts? Thank you.

Pedophilia is a bad thing, ppl doing this just have a psyco disorder and should be treated for it in a mental hospital. No offence against these ppl. The one's without a mental disorder though, shoot em as they perfectly know what they are doing!

And for the bestiality, I realy don't know where to stand in this one. I stated my views a few topics above and they havn't realy changed. Exept this on a side note:

"Eeeeeugh! Surely gotta hurt the animals!"

I think its in most animals nature to attack someone of they are in pain. I dunno if you ever saw or heared how a dog reacts if you try to **** her if she doesnt want to, but believe me, she isnt just gonna stand there accepting it. So in a way you could say that as long as an animal isnt fighting it hé/she must be enjoying it or at least don't mind it.

[Statikk HDM]

Sorry, but I can't keep religion out of anything. When something is posted here with the words "right or wrong" I feel an examination of it it through Christianity and other major religions is justified so kindly get off my nuts.

[Havoc]

Im not standing on your nuts...
But what Im saying is that its YOUR opinnion thats asked here. Not the one of the guy who wrote the bible. We all know what the bible has to say about gayism, beastism and all that stuff.

So once again, try to keep it out, PA made a nice little topic for religues stuff so go post your stuff there.

[Statikk HDM]

Hey its not "my religion", over 2 billion people practice it, okay? I wouldn't even be talking about religion if the the topic didn't ask if it was right or wrong. I assume that references to it is if bestiality is morally right or wrong. And what do the majority of people, including myself, use as a guide for determining what is morally right and wrong? Religion. If the topic was "What do you think about bestiality" I'd do a quickie post of "That's effing nasty" and move on. But it isn't. So I won't.

[Havoc]

Ok... ok... But could you just think clearly for a moment? If this was intended to be a bible thing discussion... then this wouldnt be here in the first place cuz we all know that the bible says this is wrong.
And personaly, I realy think ppl who just blindly follow everything in the bible and don't have an own oppinion about anything, those are just the most stupid ppl on this planet... hiding behind religion... jeez!!

[Jacob]

'It is banned by all major monotheistic religions and most societies in general., thus it is wrong.'

You could link that to something else though, and say "Oh, just because Religion/Society says its wrong/perculiar it must be bad.". Most societies and Religions think that certain Religions are wrong and bad...but they're not.

'"right or wrong" I feel an examination of it it through Christianity and other major religions is justified'

In which case you could simply say "Well, it's my opinion..." or "It's my way of thinking that..." instead of saying "Well, because Religions say its bad...it must be...yeh...like, ummm, Jiggaboo's and whites...dirty, filthy animals." [that was an exaggerated example].

[Havoc]

You could link that to something else though, and say "Oh, just because Religion/Society says its wrong/perculiar it must be bad.". Most societies and Religions think that certain Religions are wrong and bad...but they're not.

At least one persone get what I mean...

[Coiled Ice]

I have a major hate towards Paedophiles. They take advantage of children, use their innocence to get what they want. It sickens me. These children basically have their lives ruined. Most of them want to kill themsleves when they realise what has happened to them. I hate it so much. The people that do that should be ****ing killed. They are scum. Grrrr!!! I hate them so much!!!

I have no problem with homosexuals. They are not harming anyone. I also hate them people that say "Oh, look at me, I am like, you know so gay!" just to be trendy. That's probably why people hate gays because of these people that say things like that.

This Bestiality thing.... I don't really know about this one. It's is kinda weird to be attracted to a animal like a dog but, oh, I don't really know.

[Jacob]

Just been watching 'Animal Passions' and it has said that Zoophilia was quite normal up until Christianity came along...so, once again Christianity caused the deaths of hundreds in the name of their "God". Wankers.

[Cloverfield]

So much to respond to...

Okay, well I'll start by responding to the original topic, that of Beasiality. Like most of my views, if it is between "concenting" people [or in this case animals also], then that is fine. If they want to do that, then it is their own business. Although I used to be kind of confused as to how an animal could be concenting before I read this topic ... but I think I understand now.

As for my own view, it doesn't turn me on at all. I've seen "farm sex" stuff via the porn emails that I get spammed with ... and it doesn't appeal to me at all. Nor can I begin to understand the attraction of being with an animal. Although I'm sure most of the porn stuff is not concenting, so it's probably a very bad example to use. Which is my only gripe with any thing like this, is that it shouldn't be forced on you like with the spam emails [but that is a topic for another discussion].

I did find it very strange however when I took a poke around the writer of that article's website. He had an art gallery of adult images. Being open minded [I like to think I am anyways], I decided to take a look and saw many images of wolves in sexual positions. No probs there, he believes he's a wolf, so that's natural to him. But there were also some really weird stuff, like wolf threesomes, wolves with both male and female parts, etc. Now, I don't claim to know anything about this, so someone can correct me if I'm wrong ... but I didn't think any of that stuff was natural. I realize pack animals have more than one partner, but at once? So here you have a guy who is portraying what he believes is his native self, but then he's going and putting a "porn" slant on it. I just found it really weird that's all ... drawing animal porn without humans.

I think that's all I have to say [currently] on Beastiality.

Homosexuality, nope ... no problem there. I even find it attractive at times. But I don't like the "wanna-be" homosexuals who just think it's cool, to pick up chicks, etc. If you are that way inclined then so be it, or if you are trying to discover your sexuality then that is fine also. Actually I don't personally know anyone who is gay/lesbian, although I have a bi friend online.

I really haven't thought too much about where I stand on gay marriages. I don't really see a problem though I guess .. but it shouldn't be a church marriage, as that seems unusual to me. On marriages in the US too, I heard that you can marry anything in Las Vegas ... like some guy married his motorcycle, and another guy married a barbie doll cause it reminded him of his decesased wife. So really, if that's allowed, then gay marriage should be too.

That now brings me to my final point. Is who says what is right and wrong to be attracted to. I believe that being attracted to people [or animals or anything] is all natural. Just like with homosexuality. What makes one person attracted to something, but another person is totally put off by it. It cannot be explained. And I am a firm believer that people should be able to be attracted to anything or anyone they want to. As many of you know on here, I am obsessed with Sephiroth. Many people I have come across shun me for this, even tell me I'm messed cause I love a game character. Something that is not "real". But I also know a lot of people who also feel the same way ... not just Sephiroth, but other characters. Who says that what I feel is wrong. Who should judge me and tell me I'm messed up. I don't think anyone should. You can have your opinion, but don't attack someone casue it isn't "society's norm" or doesn't match your views or you can't relate to it in any way. Just cause it's different, doesn't make someone any different to you. The only time that the attraction to something different should be seen as wrong would be if it hurts somone else. Like if a person is attracted to something and it is impossible to have sex with it, and they go and rape someone to fulfil what they can't get, then that is wrong. But if they use the energy in another way, like masturbation, then it doesn't hurt anyone. And like with paedophilia and children are being harmed because of the person's attraction. I don't endorse any kind of paedophia and it sickens me, but "if" there were a way it could be consentual and not harming of anyone ... would it be so wrong? No, it wouldn't. Of course that's not to say that there aren't "sickos" out there who get some kind of pleasure from that kind of thing ... but that's a different category and is not what I'm meaning.

Abe Babe...

[Eriken]

Everyone has different fetishes and sexual preferences. Some people like feet, some people like the same sex, some people like animals, some people like big huge boobies.
There is no universal set of morals, so we cannot determine what is right or wrong (unless of course you're religious, in which case I pity you). The only set of morals we have to go by are our own, and those presented by the MAJORITY of society.

[Jacob]

'would it be so wrong? No, it wouldn't.'

Erm...yes it would. Because a man/woman is still having sexual relations with a person of an age where they have not sexually matured.

'But if they use the energy in another way, like masturbation, then it doesn't hurt anyone.'

This is an argument used by Paedophiles, they say "Oh, if i'm watching a toddler get raped, it means i won't do it myself. So back off.". Saying this may be their idea of a good argument, but at the end of the day they are paying for those images, and if they're not paying, they're still getting it from somewhere, which incidently makes the distributers of this material go "Oh, we have a demand for it...let's do it again...and again...and, yeah, again."

I personally don't believe Zoophilia is a thing you're born with. Sure, people may think they have the Souls of animals, it doesn't mean they should go and sleep with one.

'So here you have a guy who is portraying what he believes is his native self, but then he's going and putting a "porn" slant on it. I just found it really weird that's all ... drawing animal porn without humans.'

I've seen pictures of that, it's the sort of "If only [insert animal] could do this pose/position etc".

[oddguy]

This is an argument used by Paedophiles, they say "Oh, if i'm watching a toddler get raped, it means i won't do it myself. So back off."

That's such a lame excuse...

Thinking about raping a child...fantasising about it, is the first step to taking action and making this dream a reality. NAMBLA(North American Man-Boy Love Association) advocates the legalization of sex between men and boys as young as eight. They publish writen material about raping young boys and a how to do it. They even have a "how to" guide for luring children and making them trust you on their website. Men that are unstable enough to be attracted to children shouldn't be given the "Well, as long as they aren't hurting anyone" excuse. Because if these Men wanted to kidnap and rape a child, they know how to.

The orginazation even funded an orphanage in Thailand that allowed men to pay to rape and molest young boys there. This group says they aren't breaking the law. But they're doing really bad stuff, and encouraging this activity.

-oddguy

[Cloverfield]

Egggh... that's not really what I meant ... I was just speculating that if a child could make such decision, then there may be cases where it might not be wrong. But that would never be able to happen for reasons we all know ... so it will always remain wrong and horrid regardless of how you look at it. Looking back at my post, I didn't word it very well and it was probably the worst example to use to illustrate my original point, which was basically that people can't help what they have feelings for [sexual or otherwise].

That's probably why I've always stayed out of debatable topics in the past.

I actually feel somewhat ill that I even posted what I did ... if I could delete it I would, but the damage has been done and hopefully I haven't given you all the wrong impression of me.

Abe Babe...