Suddenly IMMENSLY proud to be Bisexual... -

Jacob · #31 07-12-2002, 09:44 PM

Stadikk it wasn't me saying;

"Hey, i was born Bisexual and im proud!!"

Its me saying;

"Hey, i was born Bisexual and although my family try and make me change. I wont...because im proud!!"

Its mainly about me being me without being ashamed. If you met my family you would understand, although some of my younger Aunties are ok with it most of them are bigotted. Some would accept me, some would accept me and make jokes, some would be disgusted and some would basically ignore me. I dont care no more.

Gluk Schmuck · #32 07-12-2002, 09:56 PM

Does this topic have anything to do with your topic about death?

Al the Vykker · #33 07-12-2002, 09:59 PM

I have to give you alot of credit Jacob its not that easy to have to live like that, with your parents not accepting you for who you are. Although im not gay or bisexual, my parents would accept me because they accept me for who i am. The world needs to definately be more accepting in this day and age.

PinkHaired Mudokon CWR · #34 07-12-2002, 10:00 PM

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Originally posted by Gluk Schmuck
It's possible that there are congenital influences which make a person more likely to be bigotted but the biggest factor is probably parental influence.

*rolls eyes* Quit Gluk, your the biggest biggot there is. Don't be so negative when it comes with people not liking gays. I mean, no big deal nothing to get mad about. it people don't like christian, I don't care. Anyways, born homophobic? I dunno. what's so scared about a homosexual or lesbian?

Jacob · #35 07-12-2002, 10:17 PM

I think Homophobia is and isn't genetic. I think that in most cases its the parental influence. For instance Townies parents are arseholes and in turn the children become arseholes. When the children have children they bring them up in the same way, causing a ongoing thing. As my English teacher once said:

"I dont think Ugly or Aggressive people should have kids, i think their balls should be hacked off at birth."

Danny · #36 07-12-2002, 10:22 PM

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Originally posted by PinkHaired Mudokon CWR
Wow, nice combat, I bet you stayed up all night thinking about that one! You 4-9-3-11's just keep innovating the field of gullable statistics. LOL

You really are a moron, aren't you?

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Originally posted by Jacob
I think Homophobia is and isn't genetic. I think that in most cases its the parental influence. For instance Townies parents are arseholes and in turn the children become arseholes. When the children have children they bring them up in the same way, causing a ongoing thing.

I think often it works the other way round - children will do exactly what their parents don't want them to do. If you look at our generation, so many of them are rabidly right-wing, and that is precisely because our parents' generation was so left-wing (which in turn was because their parents were so right-wing, and so on)...

PinkHaired Mudokon CWR · #37 07-12-2002, 10:54 PM

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You really are a moron, aren't you?

Nope. You just saying that because your a bald insecure ignorant President Geoge Bush wannabe who does not even know what 4-9-3-11 means. I mean, can you sound alittle more pathetic than you do now Dan? Or you just don't have a life and find it a pleasure to get the last word out of everything?

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I think often it works the other way round - children will do exactly what their parents don't want them to do. If you look at our generation, so many of them are rabidly right-wing, and that is precisely because our parents' generation was so left-wing (which in turn was because their parents were so right-wing, and so on)...

Wow Dan, I never knew you were such a hateful moran, do you actually think the world today is right-wing besides, why are you so against people who are right-wing? The're no problem with that. ha, shows how much you know. Which cereal box have you been reading from to get this data? Anyways, sometimes parents might allow their kids to do one way, but when they leave the house they do whatever they want because they are no longer in their parent's house.

*Phew* LOL

, I'm sorry everyone I had to get that out because I was mad at Dan but I'm okay now!

Disgruntled Intern · #38 07-13-2002, 02:36 AM

Man Oh man, I sure do love my mom's spaghetti.

all you bickerin younsters need to pull up a stump, and bag wif me fer a bit. Maybe later, we can go cornhole some sheep!
ahyuck hyuck!

now that was humourless!

Sydney · #39 07-13-2002, 02:56 AM

I don't think you can be born homophobic. Attitude is something that you acquire throughout life, and I'd say that in most cases, homophobics often have parents who are/were homophobic themselves.

I disagree with Danny, and find that most people hold onto the political persuasion of their parents.

However, aggressive people might be more inclined to become homophobic, just how dependant people might be more inclined to become alcoholics.

P.S. Please stop insulting each other.

Danny · #40 07-13-2002, 08:36 AM

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Originally posted by PinkHaired Mudokon CWR
Nope. You just saying that because your a bald insecure ignorant President Geoge Bush wannabe who does not even know what 4-9-3-11 means. I mean, can you sound alittle more pathetic than you do now Dan? Or you just don't have a life and find it a pleasure to get the last word out of everything?

Wow Dan, I never knew you were such a hateful moran, do you actually think the world today is right-wing besides, why are you so against people who are right-wing? The're no problem with that. ha, shows how much you know. Which cereal box have you been reading from to get this data? Anyways, sometimes parents might allow their kids to do one way, but when they leave the house they do whatever they want because they are no longer in their parent's house.

Your insults are imaginative, I'll give them that. They lose points for accuracy and coherence, but if you like that kind of mindless abuse, then it's very impressive...

I suppose that's true, Sydney. My mother is an ex-hippie, and I suppose that probably had an influence on me. I suppose I oughtn't to propose a theory that I myself contradict in future...

PinkHaired Mudokon CWR · #41 07-13-2002, 11:30 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Danny
[B]Your insults are imaginative, I'll give them that. They lose points for accuracy and coherence, but if you like that kind of mindless abuse, then it's very impressive...

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Your insults are imaginative, I'll give them that. They lose points for accuracy and coherence, but if you like that kind of mindless abuse, then it's very impressive...

Your just jealous. Mwahahahaha.

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I don't think you can be born homophobic. Attitude is something that you acquire throughout life, and I'd say that in most cases, homophobics often have parents who are/were homophobic themselves.

I think to when you are little, and your parents are homophobic, depending on who you are, then yeah their are chances of the kids being homophobic also or not. SOme kids can break that cycle. But, when you reach a certain age, it's your decision to be homophobic or not. (Mainly when you leave your parents nest).

ZombieX · #42 07-13-2002, 02:57 PM

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Originally posted by PinkHaired Mudokon CWR

Your just jealous. Mwahahahaha.

I think to when you are little, and your parents are homophobic, depending on who you are, then yeah their are chances of the kids being homophobic also or not. SOme kids can break that cycle. But, when you reach a certain age, it's your decision to be homophobic or not. (Mainly when you leave your parents nest).

I personally think it has nothing to do with parents. I have many differing views to my parents. I always have done. But there we go.

Jacob · #43 07-13-2002, 03:00 PM

Pinky amazed me with the fact that she could spell offensive words with numbers...i nearly fainted with astonishment...no, really...i did.

Homophobia is more common in the backward people i tend to have found. The one's that smoke at a early age, drink at a early age and have sex at the age of 8. Bad parenting skills and un-called for comments usually make children homophobes. However, i did know a homophobic and he was alright. He would punch a gay if they came onto him however and he called them slang names, such as 'Queers' , 'Ass Bandits' etc. But after two years with being with me (As we shared a lesson) he started to befriend me. He was a Townie but one of the nicer sort. Infact, it was HIGHLY amusing one time when he proved my point to another Townie...it went like this;

Mr D: "You queer, go and shag a lad or sumat and stay away from me!!"

Me: "Yeh, ermm...everyone in this room thinks im gay but they are mature enough to not make any comments and they're not bothered...why are you?"

Mr D: *Nudges a Townie next to him* "Ey, do you think it matters that he's a queer?"

Mr C: "Not really, no. So long as he doesn't come onto me."

And i just laughed...laughed in the face of Mr D as he realised what a loser he was...*Laughs*

Yeh...so, back on topic; Homophobics usually have learning difficulties. Homophobics in females are usually brought up religious and/or by bad parents. If neither or just one applies then its usually down to peer pressure.

ZombieX · #44 07-13-2002, 03:06 PM

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Originally posted by Jacob
Pinky amazed me with the fact that she could spell offensive words with numbers...i nearly fainted with astonishment...no, really...i did.

Homophobia is more common in the backward people i tend to have found. The one's that smoke at a early age, drink at a early age and have sex at the age of 8. Bad parenting skills and un-called for comments usually make children homophobes. However, i did know a homophobic and he was alright. He would punch a gay if they came onto him however and he called them slang names, such as 'Queers' , 'Ass Bandits' etc. But after two years with being with me (As we shared a lesson) he started to befriend me. He was a Townie but one of the nicer sort. Infact, it was HIGHLY amusing one time when he proved my point to another Townie...it went like this;

Mr D: "You queer, go and shag a lad or sumat and stay away from me!!"

Me: "Yeh, ermm...everyone in this room thinks im gay but they are mature enough to not make any comments and they're not bothered...why are you?"

Mr D: *Nudges a Townie next to him* "Ey, do you think it matters that he's a queer?"

Mr C: "Not really, no. So long as he doesn't come onto me."

And i just laughed...laughed in the face of Mr D as he realised what a loser he was...*Laughs*

Yeh...so, back on topic; Homophobics usually have learning difficulties. Homophobics in females are usually brought up religious and/or by bad parents. If neither or just one applies then its usually down to peer pressure.

drink at a early age
Does that make you backward? In a controlled, sensible and orderly fashion, is drinking at an early age wrong? No. Well, that's my opinion.

. Bad parenting skills and un-called for comments usually make children homophobes.
Not in my case.

Homophobics in females are usually brought up religious and/or by bad parents.
I've found the females tend to be single, and only fall in love with married or gay men. I wonder why they're homophobic.

I liked the townie tale, btw!

Jacob · #45 07-13-2002, 03:19 PM

I should have made it clearer...

By drinking at an early age, i meant at the age of 7-. Which i know some of the homophobes i knew did, they also used to brag about it loads and pick on people who never did so at that age.

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. Bad parenting skills and un-called for comments usually make children homophobes.
Not in my case.

Nor mine, but it does happen.

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Homophobics in females are usually brought up religious and/or by bad parents.
I've found the females tend to be single, and only fall in love with married or gay men. I wonder why they're homophobic.

Yes, i've found that too. But Homosexuals are women aswell. And you can still be homophobic if you are afraid of lesbians.

What amuses me is lads who say:

"I admit im homophobic, but i love lesbians..."

Stupid twats. Lol.

Edo · #46 07-14-2002, 05:04 AM

How could anyone choose their orientation? Speaking as straight (so far) I may not know. But if you look at someone of the same gender and that arouses you, what are you going to do? Do you tell yourself "No! That's wrong!" and honestly expect your hormones to care? Many people do. I know several people who were married and had kids before it hit them. Is this making sense to you? Or are Sydney and Jacob the only ones taking this seriously?

Kaimana · #47 07-14-2002, 05:23 AM

from my stand point i dont wish to make comments..but i am not homophobic because i really dont care and as long as they dont try to hit on me or anything. i will let people be what they want to be. But i will often remind myself that people do take this seriously so as me a straight guy i will simply have to except it. I will defend anyone that needs it regardless of their personal life. But to the point of this conversation i do understand the seriousness of it. I want to simply say that jacob has my support as a friend and i will defend him and others who need it. people like to come to me for physcology and thats fine. I can easilly imagine myself in other people lives and feel there pain. i wish you the best of luck Jacob in whatever you do. its just you now. you and yourself alone will choose what will become of you.
This may sound corny but my support goes to my friends, and to people i may not even kno.w That may not make sense but if you are mature in mind and spirit you will understand.

Gluk Schmuck · #48 07-14-2002, 07:52 AM

Welcome, Edo. We don't get many sensible newbies round this forum so don't just dissappear or leave like so many have. *counts* Two, I think. Two sensible people have left these forums, I think. Also, very good points, by the way.

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Originally posted by Kaimana
i really dont care and as long as they dont try to hit on me or anything.

(I'm assuming you're a guy here - most homophobes are from my experience)
Surely you'd be flattered if a girl made a pass at you? What would you do if you weren't attracted to her? Would you hit her in the face and shout 'stay away from me, hetro! You make me sick!' (I almost typed 'suck' there. *titter*) or would you say something along the lines of 'sorry, but I'm not attracted to you'?
My point is that you should be flattered if ANYONE finds you attractive because, let's face it, homophobia's a bit off-puttng for most people.

Can you honestly say that you wouldn't be flattered if someone found you attractive?

Danny · #49 07-14-2002, 08:19 AM

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Originally posted by Edo
Or are Sydney and Jacob the only ones taking this seriously?

And Me!

I agree with Tom. I just take it as a compliment. Besides, I think that most people are attractive, really, as long as they have a nice personality. And if they're not nice people then I don't care about offending them...

Kaimana · #50 07-14-2002, 03:55 PM

Look Gluck Schmuck i would be flattered if a girl found me attractive but not a guy because i am not like that. What is there more to say. I knew someone wold do that and thats why i hesitated to reply but i did any way. and pehaps you didnt understand BUT IM STRAIGHT!!!!. thats all i have to say.

Gluk Schmuck · #51 07-14-2002, 04:10 PM

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Originally posted by Kaimana
i really dont care and as long as they dont try to hit on me or anything.

Hmm. It appears that I went a little off the subject in my last post. My bad...
Fair enough if you aren't flattered. I should have been refering to this. *points to quote*

Here's my question:
Why would you have a problem if a guy came up to you and said 'Hi there, can I buy you a drink'? You can just say, 'I'm straight' or something. Surely it wouldn't harm you to be hit on by someone...

Jacob · #52 07-14-2002, 04:51 PM

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i really dont care and as long as they dont try to hit on me or anything.

As soon as you said that i knew Gluk or Danny would have immediatly picked up on that, lol.

In my experience Homophobes are male and female. However, the female one's merely dislike Lesbians but love gays to bits (So lucky for me!!) and vice versa. Also, Homophobic males are generally ugly, pieces of shit. Its always been like that for me anyway, all the nice looking guys have accepted me, sure, they've said things but in a purely jokey way. Like when we were leaving school, all the guys who used to joke with me put;

"Hey, good luck in the future. You've always made me laugh. If i ever turn i'll give you a call."

or

"Gay or straight you've always been able to make me laugh. Good luck with all that you do."

Which is nice. I personally thought i was quite hated by all the lads but i wasn't...which was like "Yey me" Also at the prom i danced with a group of lads (Me being in the middle and them lot dancing around me....it was quite amusing). But the ugly homophobes were just like "Eurrrr, watch your arses...he's here" and it was like "Yeh...im Bi...not desperate!!" many of the homophobics were Townies (Apart from that one i mentioned before, who also signed my year book with something highly amusing.)

Whilst i was typing that i have actually forgotten my point...oh...it was all homophobic guys are ugly. Homophobic females are relativly pretty. However, the people who are straight and except are quite nice looking (Especially the Bi-Curious one's...i have a friend like that and she is gorrrrrg!!)

Yeh...that was basically my pointless point.

PinkHaired Mudokon CWR · #53 07-14-2002, 08:04 PM

Oh yeah Jacob I asked my brother why he's gay and he called me names which I would not say on this forum (like all older brothers do and he calls my other brothers worst names but that's just his nature I guess) He told me that since he could not "get nothing" from a women, he would get something from a man. He said if a women would "give him something", then he would probably turned out straight Well, I guess the mystery of being born gay is not true in some cases. And then I hit him on the back of his head!

Gluk Schmuck · #54 07-14-2002, 08:18 PM

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Originally posted by PinkHaired Mudokon CWR
Oh yeah Jacob I asked my brother why he's gay and he called me names which I would not say on this forum (like all older brothers do and he calls my other brothers worst names but that's just his nature I guess) He told me that since he could not "get nothing" from a women, he would get something from a man. He said if a women would "give him something", then he would probably turned out straight Well, I guess the mystery of being born gay is not true in some cases. And then I hit him on the back of his head!

That's. Um. Interesting...

Kaimana · #55 07-14-2002, 08:23 PM

Jacob i just want to clear up something so that you understand where i am coming from and what is not only, my view but perhaps many others. I have nothing against you, i dont feel uncomfortable, I am not homophobic but if they cross the line of personaal space then yes i will not aggree and simply say i am straight other then that i have no problems, and i do wish you the best of luckin whatever you do in life, i am simply being human. And i say human as a word to express my feelings and pains with others. none of what i said is ment to be insulting.
I hope you understand.

Jacob · #56 07-14-2002, 08:49 PM

Pinky...then ask your brother SERIOUSLY and say:

"So...seriously. Are you gay cos your more attracted to men than women or is it because you just want to get laid?"

If he says its "Cos he wants to get laid" he's not gay...just INCREDIBLY desperate.

Kainmana...i dont have a prob with what you said. Take it up with Gluk...!!

Sl'askia · #57 07-14-2002, 08:52 PM

Some gays, from what I can tell, aren't really gays at all...they are just 'gay' because it is supposedly 'cool' or some sort of status symbol (I heard from one forum member some time ago that he believes that is the case with some of the 'lesbians' he has met). Though how it could be considered 'cool' is beyond me considering all the hate and bigotary toward them.

For the record...I believe gays are born the way they are...its not a choice.

PinkHaired Mudokon CWR · #58 07-14-2002, 09:09 PM

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Originally posted by Jacob
Pinky...then ask your brother SERIOUSLY and say:

"So...seriously. Are you gay cos your more attracted to men than women or is it because you just want to get laid?"

If he says its "Cos he wants to get laid" he's not gay...just INCREDIBLY desperate.

Kainmana...i dont have a prob with what you said. Take it up with Gluk...!!

Wow, you are a man but you sleep with a man and your not gay? LOL!!!!!!! If you do it or whatever to your same sex, your still gay no matter what. I think you are not born gay it is a choice. If your dating, having sex or married, with the same sex then you are gay. People are going to caterize you as gay! Not straight. It's not desperate because he does not "bag-up" with any guy ya know, then that would be desperate (if you are a freak with a tonue ring and alot of tatoos and your horny, my brother loves those types!) . But yeah, he was serious, also he wanted to add some "spice" to his sex life and he wanted a change and he was getting sick of girls anyways because he did like just girls at first.

Oh and he laughed at the question and looked at me funny and questioned why I am asking him these questions. I am like oh nothing, nothing (my brother, who's apartment got destroyed on September 11th now he has to live with us! ) He wants to get bagged up, but he thinks dating men is better than dating women. He wanted to see which sexuality he wanted to be in with. Gay or straight.

Jacob · #59 07-14-2002, 09:39 PM

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Some gays, from what I can tell, aren't really gays at all...they are just 'gay' because it is supposedly 'cool' or some sort of status symbol (I heard from one forum member some time ago that he believes that is the case with some of the 'lesbians' he has met).

Thats mostly with Bisexual females. However, some males do, do that also. I let people think i was Gay at school after trying to persuade them i wasn't. It helps, it makes you funnier and girls talk to you more, they trust you more. It was quite kewl.

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(1)Wow, you are a man but you sleep with a man and your not gay? LOL!!!!!!!(2) If you do it or whatever to your same sex, your still gay no matter what.(3) I think you are not born gay it is a choice.(4) If your dating, having sex or married, with the same sex then you are gay.(5) People are going to caterize you as gay! Not straight.(6) It's not desperate because he does not "bag-up" with any guy ya know,(7) then that would be desperate (if you are a freak with a tonue ring and alot of tatoos and your horny, my brother loves those types!) . But yeah, he was serious, also (8)he wanted to add some "spice" to his sex life and he wanted a change and he was getting sick of girls anyways because he did like just girls at first.

(1) - If a straight guy slept with a guy...it doesn't make him Gay or Bisexual. It makes him either (A): Bi-Curious, which basically means you are trying out both sexes to see which one you prefare. Or (B): A Cherry Picker, which basically means your a straight guy who goes to the other side from time to time.

(2) - No you arn't. Idiot child, lol.

(3) - If you have a choice then you have to choose one, before you do that however you need to experience both.

Smoking: Your friends are smoking, they say "Hey, try one." you have a choice...yes or no. Now, with smoking its easy you can see what it does to you and you have some hard facts that tell you what will happen. If you try it and dont like it you know its not right for you. Same goes for drink. HOWEVER...

Does this mean that when you get interested in having sex your gonna try both to decide which is best for you? Did you do that Pinky? No, it doesn't happen like that. Merely because it isn't a choice and as soon as you hit puberty (Or you may know before puberty, like me) you start to get attracted to that one sex more and more. Until your with them. With a choice you have to experience both sides...

(4) - Wrong, you cant even marry the same sex. Idiot child, lol. And if you are dating/having sex with the same sex it doesn't mean your gay, it means your either Bisex, Bi-C, a Cherry Picker or trying to see which you prefare.

(5) - Not if they ask. I have friends who were categorized as that and when people ask them they said they were straight but enjoyed a little girl on girl action also. People then accepted that and didn't think they were gay anymore.

(6) - Ever heard of Oral Pinky? You dont have to sleep with somebody to be desperate. Obviously your bro doesn't know what he is. If he's saying he's gay then he's lying, he int. He's Bisexual. If he has never had sex with a guy then he is Bi-Curious. When he actually has sex only then will he be sure. Obviously he didn't like the straight sex so he's turned to men to see if thats better.

(7) - No...that would be testing.

(8) - If he wanted to add some 'Spice' then why didn't he hook up with a girl into BDSM? Or 'Spice' it up with lengthier foreplay? Why did he turn to men? He's, obviously, in denile about wanting men for his sexual needs and just passing it off as 'Spicing' it up. Its a shame.

Anymore Questions/Beliefs?

(Im enjoying this, lol)

Edo · #60 07-14-2002, 11:22 PM

Sorry Danny, my bad. Gluk Shmuck, too. Many good angles in this discussion.