How clean is your water?

[Crashpunk]

This thread is a good reminder that I need to drink more water. I'm really good at not drinking.

Tap water in my area is actually really nice. The only time it hasn't been nice is when the taps get congealed with limescale.

Who drinks bottled water, here (except Varrok and I)?

I do at work. Anything still and I'll drink it.

[JayDee]

In terms of water quality and certain additives, I see it as a bit of a non-issue; especially as a person who lives in a first world country with the privilege of having hot and cold running water their entire life. I could understand complaints if I ran a hot tap and out drained some liquid cholera, but as of now my water is clean and not killing me.
-PL_ASE-H_LP-M_-TH_-WAT_R-IS-MAK_NG-M_-SAY-TH_S-

[Vlam]

It’s not a case of believing, it’s a case of coming to a conclusion based on evidence.

http://townhall.com/columnists/johnh...6423/page/full

[EVP_Glukkon]

To be honest I am indifferent about it. At home my wife and I drink from the tap and when we are out and about we buy a bottle. I was never too concerned about what the Government deems acceptable to chuck in it, and don't see much reason to be.

[FennecFyre]

I'm in semi-rural VA and my house gets its water from a well (well, we have a well that connects to the groundwater that goes into the house). Tastes fine to me.

[Manco]

http://townhall.com/columnists/johnh...6423/page/full

Every point in that article is easily disproven.

1. There hasn't been any global warming since 1997? Yes there has.
2. There is no scientific consensus that global warming is occurring and caused by man? Yes, there is.
3. Arctic ice is up 50% since 2012? No it isn’t.
4. Climate models showing global warming have been wrong over and over? No, they haven’t.
5. Predictions about the impact of global warming have already been proven wrong? No, they haven’t.

[Rex Tirano]

This thread is a good reminder that I need to drink more water. I'm really good at not drinking.

Throw in some fresh mint and cucumber for a tasty treat. That shit is delicious.

Whilst I agree that water supply should not be privatized (go go socialism) and there is research available which has mixed results about the effect of high levels of fluoride on children's neurodevelopment in developing countries. I don't need to boil the water for hours. I don't need to use water purification tablets to make the water available to me clean to consume. I'm not shitting myself silly daily. I have access to an indoor toilet and hot running water. To me, the worry about fluoride within the context of Europe/US is trivial.

Signed: CHARLES E. PERKINS, Chemist, 2 October, 1954.

I also think that citing a reference that is over 60 years old doesn't add any weight to your argument. Within research anything over 10 years old is old hat at best.

I admit that I didn't read the article that you linked to MA. But the tag line states that "Fluoride [is] a key dumbing down ingredient of Prozac". Whilst we understand the neurochemistry at play, there is no concrete consensus of how/why SSRIs (like prozac/fluoxetine) work. So it is quite a leap for anyone to say that fluoride is the key to "dumbing down" in a medication, especially in an article written in 2000, by someone who I am assuming does not hold any level of degree in medicine, chemistry or neuroscience.

[MA]

whatever. enjoy your chemical-addled water supply you bunch of cattle.

[EVP_Glukkon]

Every point in that article is easily disproven.

1. There hasn't been any global warming since 1997? Yes there has.
2. There is no scientific consensus that global warming is occurring and caused by man? Yes, there is.
3. Arctic ice is up 50% since 2012? No it isn’t.
4. Climate models showing global warming have been wrong over and over? No, they haven’t.
5. Predictions about the impact of global warming have already been proven wrong? No, they haven’t.

With respect, I think anyone that attempts to argue fluid science should use something more vaild instead of a blog site.

[Nepsotic]

You are right, but he is correct, even if he didn't provide the best sources.

whatever. enjoy your chemical-addled water supply you bunch of cattle.

MA, about 95% of fluoride added to the public water supply is produced from phosphorite rock.

I've found LiveScience is a reliable source.

Fluoride is added to public water supplies at an average concentration of about 1 part per million (1 ppm) or 1 milligram per liter, or slightly below. Naturally occurring fluoride concentrations in surface waters depend on location but are generally low and usually do not exceed 0.3 ppm. Groundwater can contain much higher levels, however.
In 2015, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services issued a recommendation for the optimal fluoride level that should be in drinking water to prevent tooth decay. This new recommendation is for a single level of 0.7 milligrams of fluoride per liter of water, opposed to the 0.7 to 1.2 milligrams per liter recommendation issued in 1962, which is now the standard.

The whole point of water fluoridation is to help prevent tooth decay. Any substance is toxic at a certain level of concentration, and the levels in water are nowhere near that level. You are not test subjects - scientists know the full effects of NaF and have deemed it perfectly safe for drinking.

Is fluoride bad for you?
It depends who you ask; fluoride is unquestionably toxic at certain concentrations. The most comprehensive report on fluoride was published in 2006 by the National Research Council, done at the behest of the Environmental Protection Agency. That group found that the upper limit for fluoride, at 4 ppm, was too high to prevent a certain percentage of kids from developing severe dental fluorosis and recommended the EPA lower this limit..

So they lowered the limit. It's the same thing when people go on about how GMOs are bad for you, it's bollocks. How any of us have been drinking water containing NaF our entire lives?

Every point in that article is easily disproven.

1. There hasn't been any global warming since 1997? Yes there has.
2. There is no scientific consensus that global warming is occurring and caused by man? Yes, there is.
3. Arctic ice is up 50% since 2012? No it isn’t.
4. Climate models showing global warming have been wrong over and over? No, they haven’t.
5. Predictions about the impact of global warming have already been proven wrong? No, they haven’t.

I'm disappointed you took the bait, Manco.

[MA]

NO THE GOVERNMENT WANTS TO PACIFY US

FIGHT THE POWER

[STM]

I'm in semi-rural VA and my house gets its water from a well (well, we have a well that connects to the groundwater that goes into the house). Tastes fine to me.

That's fucking cool, pics or gtfo.

[JayDee]

whatever. enjoy your chemical-addled water supply you bunch of cattle.

Cattle come in herds not bunches.

[Nepsotic]

If I'm a cow does that mean you have to put your hand up my arse, MA

[JayDee]

If I'm a cow does that mean you have to put your hand up my arse, MA

Can I please tug on your nipples for some milk. Unpasteurised though, I like my milk the way nature intended.

[Rex Tirano]

Can I please tug on your nipples for some milk. Unpasteurised though, I like my milk the way nature intended.

Be careful. I hear the government injects fluoride into that sweet sweet nipple juice. That stuff lobotomizes you, yo.

[MA]

Cattle come in herds not bunches.

i didn't know fluoride-guzzling subservient cattle could differentiate between herds and bunches.

If I'm a cow does that mean you have to put your hand up my arse, MA

do i have to? no.

will i? YES

CATTLE, ALL OF YOU

[JayDee]

It's gotten to the point where I can't tell if MA is being satirical or not.

[Manco]

With respect, I think anyone that attempts to argue fluid science should use something more vaild instead of a blog site.

It’s a dedicated site that exists to counter arguments of climate skeptics, and it provides explanations of its arguments along with links to its references and further reading. It’s certainly more credible than a right-wing news website.

I also linked to the NASA website about climate change but that got ignored.

I'm disappointed you took the bait, Manco.

I’m disappointed in how many trolls are on this forum nowadays.

[Nepsotic]

do i have to? no.

will i? YES

SOUNDS GOOD.

Also I forgot to mention that the water you drink definitely has fluoride in it. Maybe not as much, but it definitely has it.

[Slog Bait]

In the southwestern states, drinking tap water is like a slow and painful suicide because the water's so hard over here it's guaranteed to give you kidney stones the size of Russia and other health problems. Lotion is a must if you live over here because the water dries out your skin, too.

In the areas I've lived specifically, having a chemical like chlorine in fairly high concentrations or just a really fricken good filtration system is a must, or the water's too dangerous to drink. Most of our main water sources are man made lakes, and the few natural water sources in the area are usually protected because they sustain unique ecosystems, they're located on reserves, or they're owned by someone else.

My family has always relied on bottled water, which has slowly been declining in quality over the years (I can drink like 7 bottles of water in a half hour and still be dealthy thirsty), and when we weren't able to constantly afford bottled water, we had a filter tap installed into our sink for about 7 years.

Now, to contrast, the tap water in Seattle, Washington was frighteningly soft in comparison, and it didn't have a harsh metallic taste. San Francisco, California, which is in the northern half of that state, had somewhat hard water but it didn't dry out my skin. Refused to drink it, though.

[Paul]

Wow, I didn't realise Havoc was such a conspiracy nut.

Anyway, here in Manchester it varies. In my house (and most houses around here) it's always best to let the water run for a bit before filling up a glass, otherwise it's not as cold. The hot water is cloudy for some reason even though the cold water isn't and after a while of sitting out the cold tap water tastes of chlorine.



Uh, you do realise that there is virtually no difference between that and how we live right now, right?



In order to get chemical poisoning from water, the amount you would have to drink would probably kill you through brain damage before poisoning you. And that's assuming you didn't throw it up.
Don't be such a nob. Adding chemicals to water is perfectly acceptable, or would you rather we get parasites instead?



Surely you know that it isn't the case though? Only an idiot would think that everyone has access to clean drinking water.

About 15 miles out from Manchester here, no issues with the water. Btw don't drink from the hot tap, that probably goes through your combi boiler and isn't safe to drink since copper pipes..

[Nepsotic]

Oh yeah, where abouts? I'm in Stockport, so not technically Manchester but close enough.
Yeah we never drink from the hot tap. Always use the kettle.

[FennecFyre]

That's fucking cool, pics or gtfo.

Wouldn't be able to get 'em til the weekend.

[Paul]

Oh yeah, where abouts? I'm in Stockport, so not technically Manchester but close enough.
Yeah we never drink from the hot tap. Always use the kettle.

More the other way near Warrington/Widnes/Runcorn.

[JayDee]

It always takes topics like these to remind myself how terrifyingly close some members of the OWF are to me.

[Slog Bait]

The closest I can remember anyone here living to me was Pilot, because he lived in Reno, NV iirc and I lived in Las Vegas, NV for the longest time.

Now I think, of the active members, Nate lives closest to me.

[Vlam]

Who drinks sparkling water?

[Nepsotic]

Weirdos.

[Varrok]

People with no other choice and weirdos.