Should gay couples be allowed to adopt?

[Teal]

Originally posted by Daniel Brown:
And I think that homosexuality may be genetic because most homosexuals have lisps.

Sorry to interrupt with an irrelevance, but... you what? I had a gay guy in my house last year, and none of his boyfriends had any sort of a lisp whatever... Where in the world did you get that idea from...?

[Gluk Schmuck]

I like that statistc, Sydney!


And Pinky, if someone doesn't know how to use a tampon they could ask their GP...


You beat me to it Abby...i think he got it from the 'camp' type of gay - watch 'The Birdcage' for a good example of what he seems to think all homosexuals are like...

Originally posted by Sydney:
The conversation soon degenerated into calling homosexuals dirty, unnatural perverts who should be kept away from children at all costs, for fear of instilling their lifestyle on fragile, incorrupt minds. Needless to say, the debate soon ceased. I was left wondering where he got such ignorant attitudes.

Hmm, did your friend go to my school? Because quite a lot of students/idiots in my school seem to have a similar trail of/complete lack of logic.

[PinkHaired Mudokon CWR]

Originally posted by Joe the Intern:
actually, homosexuality isnt always a choice. sometimes it occurs from chemical imbalances in the brian. not all homosexuals choose to be gay. its just who they are.

That is not true.

[Danny]

Originally posted by Sydney:

The current medical perspective on homosexuality is that it's caused by the fetus being exposed to an imbalanced level of hormones while the brain is in early stages of development. Many things could disrupt the normal levels of hormones in the womb, such as smoking, diet or just a general defect in the mother's hormone production.

I didn't know this, but I find it EXTREMELY hard to believe. I know you mean nothing by it, so this is not directed at you in any way, but I find the suggestion that homosexuality is caused by some kind of chemical defect to be quite insulting, and if it is 'proven' right, I forsee dire consequences for Gay Rights...

No, Daniel, please don't tell Pinky to go away! She's funny...

Pinky: Once again you completely ignored everything I said and went back to your old "you're not making any sense" routine. I'm going to ask you again: please read what I posted, and respond to what I've posted!

[Mmmm... Arguments... ]

[PinkHaired Mudokon CWR]

Originally posted by Rettick:
I didn't know this, but I find it EXTREMELY hard to believe. I know you mean nothing by it, so this is not directed at you in any way, but I find the suggestion that homosexuality is caused by some kind of chemical defect to be quite insulting, and if it is 'proven' right, I forsee dire consequences for Gay Rights...

Pinky: Once again you completely ignored everything I said and went back to your old "you're not making any sense" routine. I'm going to ask you again: please read what I posted, and respond to what I've posted!

[Mmmm... Arguments... ]

Why do you want me to reply? i'm sorry if I ignored it. I just don't know what to say. Now, what do you want me to reply to? Which argument of yours?

And Daniel, Ha! Pfffffffffff!!!! To you! Bwahahahahahhahaahh! *creeps back into the shadows.*

[Joe the Intern]

pinky, why was it that my statement wasnt true? do you have any scientific fact to back it up? or are you just trying to contradict what i say to sound like you know what youre talking about?

[PinkHaired Mudokon CWR]

Originally posted by Joe the Intern:
pinky, why was it that my statement wasnt true? do you have any scientific fact to back it up? or are you just trying to contradict what i say to sound like you know what youre talking about?

How could I contradict what you said, if I did'nt agree with it in the first place. Get your vocabulary right man.

I'm just saying, all the genetic stuff being gay cannot realy be proven. What about the people who change from gay to straight? Or straight to gay? If it was born in them, they would be gay from the beginning. If it's what they are, then they would stay gay instead of being changing. Maybe it's a sexual a desire or something? Not a genetic thing. Then someone in your family also has to be gay if it was in the so-called genes.

How can the testing that you said prove anything? Do you have any articles on that research?

[Danny]

Originally posted by PinkHaired Mudokon CWR:
what do you want me to reply to? Which argument of yours?

ANY of them! You haven't made a coherent response to ANYTHING I've said!

How could I contradict what you said, if I did'nt agree with it in the first place. Get your vocabulary right man.

Surely it is a hell of a lot easier to contradict something you don't agree with... Just say WHY you disagree...

[Joe the Intern]

I didnt say ALL gays had that imbalance. i said SOME. some still choose to be gay.

[Statikk HDM]

Man what a can of worms this is! The bible says homosexuality is a perversion, but never of them adopting. i gueuss I'll go the whole "is it good or bad' things, while using basic lutheran morals in a arguments arg; Hell No! Just imagine how messed up this kid will be. 2 men/women, in a sexual relationship trying to instill values in a kid who,because of their state, is going to have a screwed up social life! I have a chip on my shoulder and my parents are straight! Why would a couple like that want kids? Don't they know how society as a whole frowns on their lifestyle? Prediction is this: Kid is as tough as nails and lives through it or the kid resents what the parents unintentionally put the child through. my verdict: Don't even think about it until gay bash jokes aren't the prime time tv fodder they are and people(most of them) don't want to throw up or have arguments about its ethicality at the mere mention of it i.e., never. so for now is it legal? Yes. Is it in the best intrests of a child, maybe not.

[Sl'askia]

hmm wrong topic for your second post Statikk...

Back on Topic:

For some it is a choice, others its it just the way they are.
In a way I think homosexuality is a result of human beings being too successful in the world (I mean the human race as a whole). In other words...not letting natural selection take place and allowing the weak to reproduce; therefore weakening our gene pool.
I know...this opinion is a contraversial one. And no I am not saying that in a 'natural' setting homosexuals wouldn't have less of a chance of survival, just they would get their genes spread about.
This thought of course suggests the homosexuality is not necessarily inherited.
Don't get me wrong, I would treat them as equals (though I have to edmit they do kind of creep me out with how some of them act, but I don't make fun of them for it).
Ok...really getting back on topic (sorry about that ramble). Syd's post about that study is an interesting one...the results of it does surprise me in a way.
Hmm considering what I said earlier here's another question I think this topic should address.
'Should homosexuals be allowed to have children through artifical means? (invitro, surrogate mothers, etc)'

I'd say...why not? If they what to experence the joys of having a child in that way all the power to them.

[Jotch]

I dont think gay couples should be aloud to adopt kids. For one, if other children at school found out, their social life would be ruined. Thats enough to drive a kid insane.

[Gluk Schmuck]

Originally posted by PinkHaired Mudokon CWR:
Maybe it's a sexual a desire or something? Not a genetic thing. Then someone in your family also has to be gay if it was in the so-called genes.

1. Sexual desire is a phenotype - and phenotypes are affected by genotypes and the environment - so it COULD be partially genetic

2. You don't need anyone in your family to be gay
if being gay was passed on by a rececive allele then you need only for 2 people with this 'gay allele' to have a child and it could be gay! (please ignore the stupidity of my suggestion that being gay could be contolled on by one gene - it was only an example)


And on the idea that children will be bullied too much:
1. If all children were educated better, then bullying wouldn't happen AT ALL - it's all a matter of improving the education system (and disallowing certain people to go near children - i.e. right-wingers)
2. If the child in question's school is bad at not letting kids getting bullied (like mine) then the family should move more accepting area

[PinkHaired Mudokon CWR]

Originally posted by Rettick:
Surely it is a hell of a lot easier to contradict something you don't agree with... Just say WHY you disagree...

No, contradicting is like, Oh I think he's smart, then again, he's not smart. That's contradicting. I already told him why I disagreed. Where you reading?

[Danny]

Stattik: I refuse to accept that you meant what you said seriously. If you did, it is one of the most blatently Homophobic things I have read in a long time. "Don't even think about it until people(most of them) don't want to throw up or have arguments about its ethicality at the mere mention of it" you said. Speak for yourself, you Homophobic Shit! I apologise for swearing, but at least other people in this topic have been tactful in their Homophobia, or have actually tried to give reasons for it, but your reason? "Society as a whole frowns on their lifestyle." What you mean is, YOU and the rest of the Christian Far-Right frown upon it!

Why does everybody seem to think that kids with homosexual parents will get teased at school? I don't know about any of you, but most of my peers have no problem with Homosexuality. You lot all seem to treat it like it's some kind of disease! Why can't you just accept that we're all people, no matter what our sexuality?

A lot of you have said that children with gay parents would never be accepted. Well, I put it to you that the only reason for this is people like you...

[Doug]

Originally posted by Rettick:
I didn't know this, but I find it EXTREMELY hard to believe. . . . I find the suggestion that homosexuality is caused by some kind of chemical defect to be quite insulting, and if it is 'proven' right, I forsee dire consequences for Gay Rights...

Rettick, (not rhetorical question): would you find this chemical imbalance explanation less insulting if it was referred to as an "anomaly" rather than a "defect"? I'm having trouble understanding why it would be any more pejorative than a chemical imbalance that would give one a predisposition for getting cancer or some other disease or condition. I'm just interested in how you are thinking about that.

Regarding the effect of this sort of explanation for homosexuality on gay rights, I think the best hope for gay rights is a scientific confirmation that you are born with your sexuality and it is not something you choose, as in such a case one cannot be accused of making a "deviant" (not my word) lifestyle choice. If you are born gay, which is to say if you are among the Christian right, if God made you gay, it becomes a rather un-Christian act to discriminate against or otherwise persecute someone for being gay.

[abe22]

Yes gay people should be allowed to adopt children and why do a lot of people think that children of gay parents will get teased? Way back in Primary School this person that I knew had gay parents and lots of people knew about it but no-one teased her about it which very much surprised me.

[PinkHaired Mudokon CWR]

Originally posted by Rettick:
Stattik: I refuse to accept that you meant what you said seriously. If you did, it is one of the most blatently Homophobic things I have read in a long time. "Don't even think about it until people(most of them) don't want to throw up or have arguments about its ethicality at the mere mention of it" you said. Speak for yourself, you Homophobic Shit! I apologise for swearing, but at least other people in this topic have been tactful in their Homophobia, or have actually tried to give reasons for it, but your reason? "Society as a whole frowns on their lifestyle." What you mean is, YOU and the rest of the Christian Far-Right frown upon it!

Why does everybody seem to think that kids with homosexual parents will get teased at school? I don't know about any of you, but most of my peers have no problem with Homosexuality. You lot all seem to treat it like it's some kind of disease! Why can't you just accept that we're all people, no matter what our sexuality?

A lot of you have said that children with gay parents would never be accepted. Well, I put it to you that the only reason for this is people like you...

My Goodness Rettick, calm down! If Stattik feels like that he just does, nothing to get all steamed upon.

Your in high school rettick. We are alittle bit mature. Would you know if kids would make fun of you if your parents were gay, a younger age?

[Danny]

Originally posted by PinkHaired Mudokon CWR:
[B]My Goodness Rettick, calm down! If Stattik feels like that he just does, nothing to get all steamed upon.

If I choose to get angry when I hear something as bigoted as that, I think I am perfectly within my rights!

Doug: I suppose you're right... I just have a deep dark sense of foreboding about the idea, I don't know why... I'm one of those people who thinks that it's always a combination of Nature and Nurture...

I just had the most horrible thought: What if Homosexuality were proven to be genetic, and they could then detect it in the womb? Some of the Homophobes might abort their children just because the child might become gay. *shivers*

[PinkHaired Mudokon CWR]

Originally posted by Rettick:
[B]If I choose to get angry when I hear something as bigoted as that, I think I am perfectly within my rights!B]

And so is he! Everyone is!

[General Drippik]

Personally, I think not..

[Sydney]

Rettick, I can't see how homosexuality can be explained any way but biologically. Sexuality by it's very nature is a biological mechanism, I can't see any sense in the idea that it could be socially instilled or that it comes about through choice.

[Danny]

Yeah, I know, you've all convinced me. I still think that things will go downhill for homosexuals if it is proven, don't ask me why...

[PinkHaired Mudokon CWR]

Originally posted by Sydney:
Rettick, I can't see how homosexuality can be explained any way but biologically. Sexuality by it's very nature is a biological mechanism, I can't see any sense in the idea that it could be socially instilled or that it comes about through choice.

So, you think it's from choice or not?

[Danny]

He said he couldn't see any sense in the idea that it was through choice. Work it out for yourself, Pinky, you speak English, don't you?

[Gluk Schmuck]

i always thought that it's partially genetic and partially environmental - like most other phenotypes

[Statikk HDM]

Yeah, my second post was a flub on my part. Could someone move it to the correct area or delete it please ? I meant it to go in the XBOX topic. Thanks

[Statikk HDM]

Rettikk I'm bigoted. I admit. Gay people just strike me as creepy. And people geneticly predispositioned to be gay, nah. The thing you see in the genes or whatever was CHANGED to that state by their actions. Just as sociopaths frontal lobes are damaged slightly and further degenerate as time goes on, so with gay's genes. By the way, could you train some one out of homosexuality and lesbianism. I heard a study that said it is possible. Hey, it worked for one guy's brother that i knew. Rettikk, why did you get pissed? I thought what i said about gays adopting made sense.

[Danny]

At the moment, in certain bad schools, children would get stick for having gay parents, but this is only because people like you encourage this! And the majority of people DO NOT "want to throw up or have arguments about its ethicality at the mere mention of it", so your argument is clearly flawed.

[PinkHaired Mudokon CWR]

Originally posted by Rettick:
He said he couldn't see any sense in the idea that it was through choice. Work it out for yourself, Pinky, you speak English, don't you?

Speak better English than you Lion Head!