Bisexuality -

used:) · #31 07-21-2005, 08:56 PM

Who the hell is that?

Leto · #32 07-21-2005, 09:03 PM

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Who the hell is that?

EDIT: Brian Molko, infidel.

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Now to the seriousness...

People commonly associate sexualities other than heterosexual to be sexually obsessive. For example:

"You're gay! You like to take it up the ass!"

Whereas they don't just enjoy the occasional gaybumsecks, they actually have feelings for people who belong to their sex. People getting me here?

So when the people think "You're bi! You're so desperate that when a girl rejects you you'll **** anything!", they again don't consider the love thing.

Dino · #33 07-21-2005, 09:08 PM

Meh, the promiscuity thing is typical of the ignorance.

It's like, they're all old, obsolete computers. When they're faced with something new that their circuitry isn't capable of dealing with, they just come out with "cannot compute bisexual" and assume that it's erroneous, rather than realise that they just don't understand. So they start looking for all the other logical (to them) explanations. All of course incorrect.

Anyone else think it's kinda funny that this so called "research" only ever parrots the things that the biphobics rave on about? IE "you just do it to be original" "you're just horny" "you say you're bisexual but you're actually gay and you're just trying to hide it".

Leto · #34 07-21-2005, 09:17 PM

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promiscuity

You get a cookie for using that word.

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Anyone else think it's kinda funny that this so called "research" only ever parrots the things that the biphobics rave on about? IE "you just do it to be original" "you're just horny" "you say you're bisexual but you're actually gay and you're just trying to hide it".

Yes. I was going to mention that sooner or later... Especially this 'research'. They're trying to say that bisexuality does not exist. How come there are true bisexuals in the world, then?

...post count not cool anymore.

Dino · #35 07-21-2005, 09:22 PM

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How come there are true bisexuals in the world, then?

Yeah, it's like, "nope, they're not living proof! they don't exist!".

They say that we're the ones who are lying about our sexuality to suit our lifestyle, but equally it could be said that they are lying about their "research" to suit their own personal agenda.

In this situation I advise the use of Occam's Razor. And I think the outcome of that is easily going to be "bisexuality does exist" for the majority. There's more evidence to show that bisexuality is real and these "researchers" are merely lying, than there is to show that bisexuality is fake.

Gretin · #36 07-21-2005, 09:41 PM

Heh, reminds me of a "research" that said that people who abstain from pre-marital sex are more likely to engage in other forms of sex. When, from what I've read, their "test subjects" were picked from those who were most likely to do the above, so it was really no surprise.
So, I guess what I'm saying is that they could have done "research" into it, but the people they surveyed were taken from those who aren't truly bisexual. Then the researchers just say, "Look, we've done the research, and we've 'proved' that bisexuality doesn't exist!"
It's a logical fallacy(sp?), it's basically like saying:

"Sheep, my friend, are all white. I have two sheep and they are both white."

Dino · #37 07-22-2005, 12:57 AM

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Heh, reminds me of a "research" that said that people who abstain from pre-marital sex are more likely to engage in other forms of sex. When, from what I've read, their "test subjects" were picked from those who were most likely to do the above, so it was really no surprise.
So, I guess what I'm saying is that they could have done "research" into it, but the people they surveyed were taken from those who aren't truly bisexual. Then the researchers just say, "Look, we've done the research, and we've 'proved' that bisexuality doesn't exist!"
It's a logical fallacy(sp?), it's basically like saying:

"Sheep, my friend, are all white. I have two sheep and they are both white."

Yes, there are many ways to "rig" scientific research to provide a desired outcome.

To be honest I find the outcome of this "research" laughable. If bisexuality doesn't exist, then that must mean that I am schizophrenic, and my two personalities have opposing sexualities. It's just stupid, how do you explain away the existance of something that you claimed didn't exist? It can't be done without being utterly stupid.

Jacob · #38 07-22-2005, 04:17 AM

Dino, saying everybody who is Bisexual is Bisexual through nature is an idiotic thing to suggest. Just like saying everybody who is Heterosexual/Homosexual through nature is equally idiotic.

And do you have any evidence that the Scientists who did this study are "known for debunking", i would like to see it, if you have.

And everybody jumping on the "Yeh, Bisexual is natural" bandwagon and calling the other side's argument "ignorant and obsolete" is just as ignorant. I for one haven't seen any studies indicating Bisexuality in animals, and if you have any, i'd be intrigued to read about them.

Also, i didn't realise we had so many qualified Scientists who have done their own research into this subject matter, i'm really quite amazed.

Jacob · #39 07-22-2005, 04:21 AM

'It's just stupid, how do you explain away the existance of something that you claimed didn't exist? It can't be done without being utterly stupid.'

Why is it so hard to comprehend that a person either has a preference to one sex or another? Why would these Scientists even concentrate or bother with trying to make Bisexuality seem not "natural"? Why wouldn't they just concentrate on debunking Homosexuality?

Upon managing to re-read the article ('cos annoyingly it kept going to a blank page last night) it says Bisexuality is in doubt among men. It doesn't say it doesn't in exist. It says it's in doubt. So technically this debate shouldn't even exist, but once again, thanks to Dino, he has managed to stir everybody up into a frenzy.

Well done, no, really(!)

AquaticAmbi · #40 07-22-2005, 05:35 AM

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I for one haven't seen any studies indicating Bisexuality in animals, and if you have any, i'd be intrigued to read about them.

Yay! I get to bring up the bonobos again! They likes to do naughty stuff with both sexes. Crazy monkeys.

Godlesswanderer · #41 07-22-2005, 06:19 AM

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Sexual intercourse plays a major role in Bonobo society, being used as a greeting, a means of conflict resolution and post-conflict reconciliation, and as favors traded by the females in exchange for food (see prostitution). Bonobos are the only non-human apes to have been observed engaging in all of the following sexual activities: tongue kissing, face-to-face vaginal intercourse, oral sex, genital rubbing between females, and "frottage" between males. This happens within the immediate family as well as outside of it. Bonobos do not form permanent relationships with partners.

Ha, those crazy monkeys! When humans so stuff like that, it's prostitution/bisexuality/whatever. When it's monkeys, it's just funny

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Dino · #42 07-22-2005, 07:03 AM

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Dino, saying everybody who is Bisexual is Bisexual through nature is an idiotic thing to suggest. Just like saying everybody who is Heterosexual/Homosexual through nature is equally idiotic.

Good job I wasn't saying that then.

I don't deny that there are some people out there who just conveniently adopt the sexuality to appear original, but have you considered that maybe, just maybe, it's a legitimate sexuality and the majority of self proclaimed bisexuals are actually bisexual? Who are you to say they are not? Who is anyone to say they are not? They are what they say they are, and they have a right to be treated with respect. You cannot conduct scientific research to validate the denial of a person's right to have what they are awknowledged as being legimate.

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And do you have any evidence that the Scientists who did this study are "known for debunking", i would like to see it, if you have.

I'm the evidence. I exist, I'm real and I'm bisexual. Therefore their "research" is proved incorrect. They're saying that there's no such thing as bisexuality, but I can tell you that they're wrong because I know what I am, and I experience it on a daily basis, and have done for the last 10 years

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And everybody jumping on the "Yeh, Bisexual is natural" bandwagon and calling the other side's argument "ignorant and obsolete" is just as ignorant.

Denying the existance and legitimacy of an entire sexuality is ignorant and obsolete. Having a problem with these deniers is normal and acceptable.

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I for one haven't seen any studies indicating Bisexuality in animals, and if you have any, i'd be intrigued to read about them.

That's because you've never looked for any. To quote wikipedia:

"Many non-human animal species also exhibit bisexual behavior. This is particularly common in hermaphroditic animals, but is also known in many other species such as the bonobo Chimpanzee. Bisexuality has been observed in over 500 species . "

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Also, i didn't realise we had so many qualified Scientists who have done their own research into this subject matter, i'm really quite amazed.

Since when did anyone have to be a qualified scientist to know what gender they're into? If you're bisexual, and somebody says that bisexuality doesn't exist, are you supposed to just say "sorry I can't comment, as I don't hold a phd in the subject"? If you are then screw that. If someone says that part of my identity doesn't exist then I'll set their record straight, I'm not going to just listen to them and agree when my mere existance proves them wrong.

Rich · #43 07-22-2005, 07:08 AM

I'm a hetero, but I'm 100% sure that bisexuality is real and that some people and animals are bisexual. I also accept bisexuality and homosexuality, I wouldn't shag a man, but I have no reason to fear those that do.

Sure, some people choose to be bisexual but true bisexuals exist, scientists are stupid.

Jacob · #44 07-22-2005, 09:28 AM

'They're saying that there's no such thing as bisexuality'

What are you? Seriously? Are you 12? Where have they said there's no such thing as Bisexuality?!

'Having a problem with these deniers is normal and acceptable.'

It is, but when they've not even considered the othersides point of view or done any of their own research, it's just as stupid, ignorant and as obsolete as the othersides.

'If someone says that part of my identity doesn't exist then I'll set their record straight, I'm not going to just listen to them and agree when my mere existance proves them wrong.'

For. F*cks. Sake. Explaining things to you is like trying to shove 15 Cats in a washing machine when they don't want to go in.

The study DOESN'T say Bisexuality is NON-EXISTANT.
The study DOES say that it is cast IN DOUBT.

If Scientists set out to do research, and that's the conclusion they come up with, then how can you blame them for thinking that way? Besides, Dino, how do you know what exactly goes on in the depths of your subconscious? Have you monitered your sexual arousal patterns?

EDIT - Oh, thanks Ambi! Your Bonobo fetish has once again proven useful!

Leto · #45 07-22-2005, 03:43 PM

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What are you? Seriously? Are you 12? Where have they said there's no such thing as Bisexuality?!

I'll give you the list...

"But a new study casts doubt on whether true bisexuality exists," Questioning its existence.

"People who claim bisexuality, according to these critics, usually are homosexual but are ambivalent about their homosexuality or simply closeted."

"The psychologists found that men who identified themselves as bisexual were in fact exclusively aroused by either one sex or the other, usually by other men."

"But the men in the study who described themselves as bisexual did not have patterns of arousal that were consistent with their stated attraction to men and to women. Instead, about three-quarters of the group had arousal patterns identical to those of gay men; the rest were indistinguishable from heterosexuals."

Almost the entire article pisses on there being no bisexuals. Most of it is suggestive, but it seems that these peoples motive is to deny existence of bisexuals.

...yes, it's suggestive, shut your beak.

Jacob · #46 07-22-2005, 05:11 PM

I must agree with you, SM, your ability to read between the lines and get the following statement astounds me -

"Bisexuality in both men AND women is non-existant. It's merely a psychological disorder were the people stating that they are Bisexual are either oversexed or greedy"

Congratulations.

'Most of it is suggestive, but it seems that these peoples motive is to deny existence of bisexuals.'

Scientist #1: "Well dammit, Homosexuality has been proven to be natural! Now what do we try and make abnormal?!"
Scientist #3: "HETEROSEXUALITY!"
Scientist #1: "Shut up. No, it's got to be something easy.
Scientist #3: "Transsexuality!!"
Scientist #1: "Hmmm...possibly. It'd take a lot of work though!"
Scientist #2: "What about Bisexuality?"
Scientist #1: "OH. MY. GOD. THAT'S GENIUS!! Yes! And anybody will believe that! Okay, so our first shot at debunking something seen as true was pretty hard, and only the Nazi-supporters took to it. The second one, yeh, only the conspiracy theorists and Moon buffs decided to agree with us that one. But this one! THIS ONE! This'll certainly work! Yes, finally we will have succeeded in our plans to completely piss on a group of people for no apparent reason other than we like statistics!!"

Leto · #47 07-22-2005, 05:20 PM

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Scientist #1: "Well dammit, Homosexuality has been proven to be natural! Now what do we try and make abnormal?!"
Scientist #3: "HETEROSEXUALITY!"
Scientist #1: "Shut up. No, it's got to be something easy.
Scientist #3: "Transsexuality!!"
Scientist #1: "Hmmm...possibly. It'd take a lot of work though!"
Scientist #2: "What about Bisexuality?"
Scientist #1: "OH. MY. GOD. THAT'S GENIUS!! Yes! And anybody will believe that! Okay, so our first shot at debunking something seen as true was pretty hard, and only the Nazi-supporters took to it. The second one, yeh, only the conspiracy theorists and Moon buffs decided to agree with us that one. But this one! THIS ONE! This'll certainly work! Yes, finally we will have succeeded in our plans to completely piss on a group of people for no apparent reason other than we like statistics!!"

To you I say:

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For. F*cks. Sake. Explaining things to you is like trying to shove 15 Cats in a washing machine when they don't want to go in.

Bah. I give up. What I'm TRYING to say is that these people must have some sort of problem with bisexuals. Dur. But they take it to the next level by researching these peepz who claim they're bisexual, then just say to them: "Hey! You're not bi! You're just gay or pretending to be bi, you heterosexual!".

Take it or leave it. *Shrugzor*

Jacob · #48 07-22-2005, 05:30 PM

Where would be the logic? What would be the point? And if you're going to say this about this study, you might as well say it about all the studies. Studies saying Homosexuality is natural - scrap them, the people could've been influenced by Satan! Hell, Big Red could've influenced the animals to have sex with the same sex as them (i love you Cyber-Slig)!!

Seriously, SM, ignore, no, in fact FORGET Dino's comments for a minute, read the article yourself and then sit and think for a minute about the likelyhood that the Scientists want to eviserate Bisexuality. And then ask yourself "Why?"

Okay, so the group they chose may've been full of sexually confuzzed men (but it is based in America, so what do you expect?!), but what if the Bisexuals chosen did, even if it was just slightly stronger, have a preferance towards one sex rather than the other.

I hate this sudden wave of intolerance on the forums, bring back some of the original members, i say! Surfacing, Danny, Tom, Claire, Dequibenzibobbalob (or whatever his name was), DH, S'laskia and the others!

used:) · #49 07-22-2005, 05:35 PM

Everything comes and goes, and with the changes in our world, we must learn to accept them.

Leto · #50 07-22-2005, 05:49 PM

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but what if the Bisexuals chosen did, even if it was just slightly stronger, have a preferance towards one sex rather than the other.

This can be the case, but that doesn't mean they're not bisexual. That's like saying: "My grandpa is quater hispanic, but I'm sure as hell not!". If they have a preference toward one sex but are willing to be involved with another, that still makes them bissexual for accepting the option of being with the other gender. I'm just saying that they are generalizing all of these people.

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Seriously, SM, ignore, no, in fact FORGET Dino's comments for a minute, read the article yourself and then sit and think for a minute about the likelyhood that the Scientists want to eviserate Bisexuality. And then ask yourself "Why?"

Lust for gold? This is indeed an American article, and quite often Americans can be religious... Like any country, but America especially. And for some reason, being a homosexual is bad in their book.

I'm not riding off Dino's comment. I happen to share the same opinion as him. Is there something wrong here?

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Studies saying Homosexuality is natural - scrap them, the people could've been influenced by Satan! Hell, Big Red could've influenced the animals to have sex with the same sex as them (i love you Cyber-Slig)!!

Homosexuality is not natural. Nor is bisexuality. Any sexuality except hetero isn't natural. But who ****ing cares? It doesn't matter if it occurs naturally or not.

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I hate this sudden wave of intolerance on the forums, bring back some of the original members, i say! Surfacing, Danny, Tom, Claire, Dequibenzibobbalob (or whatever his name was), DH, S'laskia and the others!

Bah, go and cry to your mammy. Start the 'Old OWF' on invisionfree and hope some people drop by.

Jacob · #51 07-22-2005, 06:06 PM

'that still makes them bissexual for accepting the option of being with the other gender.'

Bi-Curious, even?

'Bah, go and cry to your mammy. Start the 'Old OWF' on invisionfree and hope some people drop by.'

Wow, and i've suddenly gone back to Nursery...

'Homosexuality is not natural. Nor is bisexuality. Any sexuality except hetero isn't natural. But who ****ing cares? It doesn't matter if it occurs naturally or not.'

I don't know if you were being sarcastic there or not, but there is a difference between 'normality' and 'natural'.

'I'm not riding off Dino's comment. I happen to share the same opinion as him. Is there something wrong here?'

No, i'm merely asking you to think for yourself, not that you weren't doing in the first place.

Leto · #52 07-22-2005, 06:19 PM

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Bi-Curious, even?

Yes and no. You know how lots of men are scared of homosexual encounters? These few 'bi-curois' people can embrace either sexuality, and aren't afraid of homosexuality, but just prefer heterosexuality.

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No, i'm merely asking you to think for yourself, not that you weren't doing in the first place.

Yesh. I am doing so now.

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I don't know if you were being sarcastic there or not, but there is a difference between 'normality' and 'natural'.

Ok, here we go. Heterosexuality is considered both 'normal' and 'natural'. Homosexuality naturally occurs in a sense that the brain chooses to be so, but is considered not 'normal'. Bisexuality is a variation on homosexuality, so again is considered 'not normal' and 'not natural', but natural in a sense that the brain has decided to like members of the same sex.

Did I just make any sense just now? O.o

Cyber-Slig · #53 07-22-2005, 07:07 PM

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(i love you Cyber-Slig)!!

I'm getting really scared now 0_o...

Jacob · #54 07-23-2005, 05:19 AM

'You know how lots of men are scared of homosexual encounters? These few 'bi-curois' people can embrace either sexuality, and aren't afraid of homosexuality, but just prefer heterosexuality'

Surely the same could be said for Bisexuality?

'Heterosexuality is considered both 'normal' and 'natural''

With the natural comment i was going along the 'It occurs in nature' thang. But with the normality thing i was going with the 'majority rule' thing, which would mean that Homosexuality/Bisexuality is abnormal.

I'm interested in your theory that the Brain chooses to be Gay though, is this a conscious choice? When does it decide to do this?

used:) · #55 07-23-2005, 07:53 AM

I believe when a homosexual is born, the chemicles get confused and they sort of go on girl mode. I believe you are born how you are, and you can masquerade as a gay straight or bi, but it will not change your sexual preference.

AquaticAmbi · #56 07-23-2005, 11:37 AM

I don't understand why the words describing the chemical stuffs regarding the homosexual/bisexual/whatever brain have to have negative connotations like "confused". Why can't we just say this person's brain is one way and this person's is another, meaning he's attracted to both sexes. It shouldn't be called an "imbalance"; some people's brains are just balanced differently.

CheeseOfGlory · #57 07-23-2005, 12:24 PM

Amber and Luke, you guys have way way too much time on your hands.

Jacob · #58 07-23-2005, 02:15 PM

Testosterone. In foetal development. Lack of in Homo-Superiors. Our Brains (and in some cases bodily structure) are thus more feminine.

Dino · #59 07-23-2005, 04:51 PM

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'They're saying that there's no such thing as bisexuality'

What are you? Seriously? Are you 12? Where have they said there's no such thing as Bisexuality?!

Sorry, you fail. The article clearly states that these scientists are finding it hard to believe that anyone at all is bisexual.

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'Having a problem with these deniers is normal and acceptable.'

It is, but when they've not even considered the othersides point of view or done any of their own research, it's just as stupid, ignorant and as obsolete as the othersides.

Why should I consider that point of view when I KNOW for a fact that it is untrue? I'm sitting here, bisexual, right, now. They say that the existance of bisexuality is doubtful. WRONG. I'm bisexual. If bisexuality was doubtful then I wouldn't be bisexual. Why else would I be bisexual? How can you be ****ing confused about what sexuality you are? I knew right from the start, and so did all the other HONEST people I've spoken to. Just the majority of them didn't know they were actually bisexual because they were never educated about it, as we all grew up in a freaking facist censored society that doesn't expose you to REALITY therefore making everything nasty in the world that little bit more shocking and horrible. But they still found themselves attracted to both sexes.

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The study DOESN'T say Bisexuality is NON-EXISTANT.
The study DOES say that it is cast IN DOUBT.

They're one and the same. The latter sentence is merely a less offensive rephrasing of the former one. Why is it cast in doubt? Because they didn't manage to get a bunch of a few hundred random people horny when they saw certain images? Wow that sounds like a totally fair test to me. Yep. Just the kind of thing that DOESN'T YIELD ERRONEOUS RESULTS.

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If Scientists set out to do research, and that's the conclusion they come up with, then how can you blame them for thinking that way?

Because their conflusion is wrong?

What if I told you that I don't think homosexuality exists? Would you just accept that and happily sit there agreeing, carefully analysing my point of view, in a friendly and impartial manner?

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Besides, Dino, how do you know what exactly goes on in the depths of your subconscious? Have you monitered your sexual arousal patterns?

Yes, I have "monitored my sexual arousal patterns" (which is a polite, scientific way of saying: noticing myself getting a hard on) and my "research" forces me to conclude that I'm as bisexual as it gets.

Dino · #60 07-23-2005, 05:05 PM

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I don't understand why the words describing the chemical stuffs regarding the homosexual/bisexual/whatever brain have to have negative connotations like "confused". Why can't we just say this person's brain is one way and this person's is another, meaning he's attracted to both sexes. It shouldn't be called an "imbalance"; some people's brains are just balanced differently.

Yes, indeed. Who cares about what nature intended? We already said "screw nature" to begin with when we all decided to take over the planet and pollute it. Not that I'm comparing pollution to bisexuality, I'm just saying it's not typical of us as humans to let nature define what we are and should be. I mean, is it natural to have a tattoo? Or a piercing? No... yet we've been doing it almost since the dawn of modern humans and it's quite readily accepted.

I ****ing hate this thread. Call me a facist but if I was an admin here I'd just permaban everyone who agreed with this article. Biphobics are assholes. Seriously I'd rather have a chav shit on my face than have to live around biphobics and all the stupid crap they come out with. they're so shockingly ignorant.