Abe HD Ideas

[Manco]

That wouldn’t affect sligs though, would it? Their visors glow artificially.

[STM]

It's AOHD, they have visors not eye holes.

[Phylum]

What has always bugged me is why do enemy Sligs know that a possessed Slig is possessed then shoot you?

I would love the Sligs to act normal around you if they didn't see the Slig get possessed.

I read on here somewhere that Abe isn't very good at controlling slig's minds in AO, so they stumble and give themselves away. I wouldn't mind seeing sligs do that if it isn't just random bullshit that someone made up.

[AvengingGibbons]

I read on here somewhere that Abe isn't very good at controlling slig's minds in AO, so they stumble and give themselves away. I wouldn't mind seeing sligs do that if it isn't just random bullshit that someone made up.

Ohh, yeah, great idea! Give the possessed sligs a slightly different walk cycle to normal sligs.. Make them seem a bit like puppets, where their body parts are kinda limp. Or when they run and stop, thry could stop using a different animation, one similar to Abe's running stop animation.

[JennyGenesis]

Apart from when Sligs shake when being possed initially, I have always wondered how other Sligs were able to tell when a Slig was controled by abe.

[Nate]

Probably body language. Have you seen Inglorius Basterds; the scene in the bar?

[JennyGenesis]

No, and as far as animations go in AO and AE they are identical to all the other Sligs

[Nate]

Remember to suspend disbelief and then bear in mind that what we see in our limited, zoomed out gameplay-view is not what the characters with their 'actually living on Oddworld'-view see.

[STM]

Might be because they see those huge orbs go into their neighbour's brain. Remember only a select few sligs know you've turned if they're in another screen

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[Nate]

There's plenty of Sligs that will shoot you even if you possessed their colleague on a different screen, or on a different level.

On the other hand, if they can identify possessed sligs, why are they so reassured by you saying 'Hi!'?

[STM]

They aren't if one of the sligs knows you're possessed and you say 'hi' generally they just turn around and shoot you for alerting them. I think perhaps the sligs that can tell if you've been chanted whatever screen they're on must have some sort of higher intelligence from their counterparts allowing them to realise some sort of subtle change in the slig's demeanour.

[Nate]

They aren't if one of the sligs knows you're possessed and you say 'hi' generally they just turn around and shoot you for alerting them. I think perhaps the sligs that can tell if you've been chanted whatever screen they're on must have some sort of higher intelligence from their counterparts allowing them to realise some sort of subtle change in the slig's demeanour.

That's not what my experience has been. If you are on one level and the sligs are on another, say 'Hi!', then jump down to where they are, they will never shoot you.

[MeechCrunchies]

Perhaps, since they only respond to each other with their native
BS and S'Mo BS, the thought of another slig speaking in their industrial tongue is off putting and causes them to know something is weird.
This is what I love about the A.L.I.V.E engine, it was so fantastically designed that we're still debating these things 14 years after release ^_^

[AvengingGibbons]

Probably body language. Have you seen Inglorius Basterds; the scene in the bar?

lol Nate. Yes, I have..

And might I add that film is fucking awesome!

EDIT: I wonder what it would sound like to record the slig speech in Abe's voice, and superimpose the Abe voice over the slig's voice, but only have abe's track quiet. It could be a cool subtle addition to the game which would make it that more immersive. Or, just leave the sligs with their voices, but alter the way they say things. Like, instead of a possessed slig saying 'Oi' it could say 'Hey'. (Just another thought)

[Manco]

I remember there being a sign in an area of Exoddus which read “authorised Sligs only beyond this point!”. Perhaps the Sligs which shoot you are the ones that are concerned when their bros are suddenly abandoning their patrol routes?

[Sekto Springs]

I think that was just so they could have a trickier puzzle where the sligs shoot to kill indiscriminately.

[Manco]

Well yes, but there’s no reason why it couldn’t apply in other areas in the game.

[Sekto Springs]

JAW is going to have to significantly re-arrange some of the puzzles to work in a scrolling 2.5d setting, so it might be useful. I can't think of a specific example though.

[AvengingGibbons]

Having the game side-scrolling doesn't necessarily mean it must side scroll everywhere. I think they could use the side-scrolling where necessary and the 'boxed-in' effect where equally necessary, and to move from one boxed in screen to the next, the screen should have the same old animation as they had before (or at least very similarly simplistic and subtle).

[Sekto Springs]

That may work with one room puzzles, but I think it might disrupt the overall flow if they do it too frequently. One thing I'm wondering about is how they'll approach the one-hit kill aspect. You can't really run from slig fire without the flickscreen element.

[STM]

Well isn't it something like if a slig leaves your LoS it can't hit you...or aren't they going to do like, that you can hide behind barrels and stuff? I forget.

[Sekto Springs]

Obstacles or allowing for multiple hits before dying seems like the only feasible way. I'd rather they avoid the latter by any means possible, as that would significantly reduce the suspense.

[STM]

Although in AE I'm sure you could get shot once and live...like it had to be a sort of prolonged spray otherwise you could make it to the next screen, whereas AO you heard the gun sound...you were probably dead.

[Manco]

Simple solution: Sligs have a limited range on their guns, running away forces them to chase you.

[Sekto Springs]

A limited range of what, ten feet? Least effective weapon ever.

[Manco]

Shotguns.

[Sekto Springs]

I have trouble swallowing that concept without the use of hit points, or god forbid, showing the actual bullets flying through the air like they did in SW. I suppose it could work, but not incredibly well.

[Wil]

If Sligs' shots have high attenuation, I would imagine it's not because their bullets become harmless but their aim becomes poor.

[Phylum]

Why would you hire guards incapable of aiming effectively at more than 10 meters?

[Wil]

Why would you hire guards that sleep on the job, beat the workers do death, and can be possessed and controlled by the workers, and can't climb the ledges that are all over the place?