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03-04-2002, 08:36 AM
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Originally posted by Disgruntled Intern
I would also like to know what
'smack the bitch up' means.
haven't you guys heard the prodigy song? Ok heres a hint... it has something to do with drugs
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03-05-2002, 07:33 PM
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Robin, you didn't need to include scientists' names in that. I wouldn't have thought you were lying or anything... The problem is that scientists produce so many conflicting reports on cannabis, and are so often selective with the truth. As I have said, the tests they carry out have many possible areas of inaccuracy, which is why the scientists find so much totally contradictory evidence.

An example of where scientists are selective with the truth is found here: "In terms of life-time use, marijuana was reported to be the most common illicit drug used by a sample of 268 murderers incarcerated in New York State correctional facilities." On its own, this might suggest that marijuana causes criminal behaviour, but if you look at the wider picture, you see that the reason why so many felons smoke marijuana is that so many ordinary people smoke marijuana. Cannabis is the most popular illicit drug in all walks of life, so the percentage of criminals who smoke is no higher than the percentage of non-criminals who smoke.

Also, some things are worded so as to bend the truth a little: "Marijuana causes many mental disorders, including acute toxic psychosis, panic attacks, flashbacks, delusions, depersonalization, hallucinations, paranoia, depression and uncontrollable feelings of aggression." It has been proven that Cannabis does not cause any mental disorders of this sort. However, it has been shown to exacerbate these conditions, should they already exist, or bring them to the surface if they are latent. The simple swapping of the word "exacerbate" for "cause" changes the whole meaning of the sentence, but if somebody were to pick up on that, the author would doubtlessly be able to justify themselves by saying that they had meant the former.

"Three days or more after smoking marijuana, PET scans of chronic marijuana users show decreased metabolic activity in the brain, especially in the cerebellum, a part of the brain involved with motor coordination, learning, and memory.

This decreased brain activity helps explain persistent defects in mental function and the increased motor vehicle accidents observed in marijuana users. Marijuana impairs perception, judgment, thinking, memory, and learning. Memory defects may persist six weeks after last use."

~ I looked around on that New Scientist page that Abby showed us, and I found that recent studies have disproven most of this. This just goes to show how unreliable anything you read about cannabis can be, as scientists and researchers are continually contradicting things that had previously been assumed as fact by other scientists and researchers...
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correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the point of it to have toxic psychosis?
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03-05-2002, 08:49 PM
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Originally posted by Steve
correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the point of it to have toxic psychosis?
I don't know. It depends what that is...
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psychosis is a mental disorder which seperates the person from reality and causes hallucinations and so on and the toxic just means that it is caused by a chemical.
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03-05-2002, 09:17 PM
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Hmm. No, I generally find the point of it is that it helps you relax. You're thinking of Acid...

[Yes, I know, Cannabis is technically a Hallucinogen, but its effects are only felt in large doses, and I never strive to achieve those heights/depths...]
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Have you ever had a high where every time you move you can feel a powerful tingling sensation that ripples from the point of movement? The first time that happened to me was so bizzare...
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after being stabbed in the heart by a syringe i barely want to even touch any types of shit like that ever again.
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Dan! This any help (gods this is long)?

Having looked up "Cannabinoids" in PubMed (The National Library of Medicine) I've found a few interesting things - sorry they're so sciency: (annoyingly so far I've only been able to access the abstracts (brief but complete summaries of the entire paper) so maybe I better go and get a new password so I can access the better online journals (hey, I got it over 2 years ago and haven't used it since, I can't even remember my damn username at the moment).)

Medicinal use of cannabis: History and current status.

CONCLUSIONS: Pure tetrahydrocannabinol and several analogues have shown significant therapeutic benefits in the relief of nausea and vomiting, and stimulation of appetite in patients with wasting syndrome. Recent evidence clearly demonstrates analgesic and antispasticity effects that will probably prove to be clinically useful. Reduction of intraocular pressure in glaucoma and bronchodilation in asthma are not sufficiently strong, long lasting or reliable to provide a valid basis for therapeutic use. The anticonvulsant effect of cannabidiol is sufficiently promising to warrant further properly designed clinical trials. There is still a major lack of long term pharmacokinetic data and information on drug interactions. For all the present and probable future uses, pure cannabinoids, administered orally, rectally or parenterally, have been shown to be effective, and they are free of the risks of chronic inflammatory disease of the airways and upper repiratory cancer that are associated with the smoking of crude cannabis. Smoking might be justified on compassionate grounds in terminally ill patients who are already accustomed to using cannabis in this manner. Future research will probably yield new synthetic analogues with better separation of therapeutic effects from undesired psychoactivity and other side effects, and with solubility properties that may permit topical administration in the eye, or aerosol inhalation for rapid systemic effect without the risks associated with smoke inhalation."
(Pain Res Manag 2001 Summer;6(2):80-91)

("Parenteral" means via a blood vessel, ie IV. And smoking pretty much ANYTHING will give off benzapyrenes, the major cause of lung/upper respiratory tract cancers - they're very flat molecules and can slot between the rungs of DNA, which stops it being replicated properly.)

I got 5479 results (or 274 pages) for "cannabinoids" (the active ingredient when you smoke it) so I'm not going to read all of them... (admittedly not all are papers, but there's a shedload of them there). Go to the website if you're interested, there's a lot of papers there on studies that have been done on it:

PubMed

Some papers are rather brain-melting (like "Desensitization of Cannabinoid-Mediated Presynaptic Inhibition of Neurotransmission Between Rat Hippocampal Neurons in Culture") but there's a lot of them there: "Involvement of CB1 cannabinoid receptors in emotional behaviour," "Cannabinoids: a real prospect for pain relief" and "Cannabinoids in pain management. Cannabinoid receptor agonists will soon find their place in modern medicine"

As a brief, general rule for how good a particular study is, look at where the paper was published. The big, important journals (like "Nature" and suchlike) get to pick which papers they publish, so they can pick the best (by "best" I don't mean the most user-friendly, I mean the most scientifically important, like groundbreaking research into new cancer treatments.). The smaller journals have fewer papers submitted to them, so they'll publish pretty much whatever they can. Smaller studies are less well financed, and so the results they get are not as good as the results from major studies.

Although as a pharmacy student (yes, that's right; drugs) I think I have a right to an opinion, I'm not going to say "yay cannabis is great" or "nay cannabis is evil" until I've read up some of these papers...

Actually, this looks pretty relevant to some of the things we've been studying, so thanks to whoever brought the subject up...
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What is the big deal about marijauna anyway? I've always seen it as a utility plant. Ropes, clothing, lubricant, smoke, paper, pain reliever. It really is the magicakl plant. I mean, why is tobacco legal and this incredible plant isn't? Profit protection methinks? By the way it helps make like the best housepaint ever!
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Originally posted by Disgruntled Intern
I would also like to know what
'smack the bitch up' means.
Up here it means your pregnant. Or you can also say "a guy has knock me up!" which also means he got you pregnant.

Yeah, 40 is a 40 oz beer. Do you know what crisp is?

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Originally posted by PinkHaired Mudokon CWR
Up here it means your pregnant.
Yep it also means to get needled..
"Dude, smak my bitch up i need some drugs"
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03-07-2002, 01:22 PM
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Do you know what crisp is?
Being as you are in Merka, I'd expect it to mean chip!
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03-07-2002, 08:19 PM
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Originally posted by Sydney
Have you ever had a high where every time you move you can feel a powerful tingling sensation that ripples from the point of movement? The first time that happened to me was so bizzare...
I'm not entirely sure what you're describing. If it's one thing, then I experience it a lot, but if it's another, then I've never experienced it.

Generally, I don't tend to smoke much, as I have a low tolerance for Cannabis. This is good, as it means that I can get considerably ****ed on very little, which makes it better for me AND less expensive... However, I don't tend to try and get very ****ed, as I don't find it that enjoyable. Also, my cousin has got to the point where he sometimes just sits alone in his room and smokes until he is immobile. I don't want to ever end up doing that; I only smoke when I am with company (RL or online).

What's the most stoned you've ever been, Syd? I've only ever been very stoned once, but I was VERY stoned. I smoked about a third of an ounce. My eyes bled...
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reminds me of good ol Jay's Rap

JAY - **** **** ****, MUDDA MUDDA ****, MUDDA MUDDA ****, ****, MUDDA ****, MUDDA ****... NOICH NOICH NOICH... ONE TWO, ONE TWO THREE FOUR, NOICHN NOICHN NOICH...
SHMOKING WEED, SHMOKING WEED, DOING COKE, DRINKING BEERS, DRINKING BEERS BEERS BEERS... ROLLING FATTIES SMOKING BLUNTS, WHO SMOKES THE BLUNTS? WE SMOKE THE BLUNTS, ROLLING BLUNTS, AND SMOKING THEM

DUDE - uh can i have a nikle bag?

JAY - 15 BUCKS LITTLE MAN, PUT THAT SHIT IN MY HAND, IF THAT MONEY DOESN'T SHOW YOU OWE ME OWE ME OH!
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iv only smoked pot once on my birthday and i dont intend on doing so again whats your favorite word? mines nehh!!!
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It is hard to decide which of those last two posts was more surreal...
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It is hard to decide which of those last two posts was more surreal...
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