Sad news for you X-Box fans - screenshots revealed as fakes!

[One, Two, Middlesboogie]

Here is an article from PlayStation World, an unofficial British PS1 and PS2 mag. I couldn't be bothered to scan in the article and upload it to my webspace, but I'm willing to do so if you won't believe me without visual proof.

X-BOX FAKES IT

HAS THE X-BOX BITTEN OFF MORE THAN IT CAN CHEW?

A supposedly big announcement by Microsoft has revealed three Sega games - Panzer Dragoon, Jet Set Radio and Sega GT - will be appearing on X-Box. What they fail to highlight is the fact that while all of these games suffered from seriously disappointing sales on the previous Sega machines, PS2 has already snapped up some of Sega's biggest selling classics in the shape of Crazy Taxi, Virtua Fighter 4 and Space Channel 5. Not such a coup after all then.

Not only are they suffering from having the least successful of Sega's games on their machine, it seems they're also not too confident about X-Box's capabilities. Recent shots to promote the console, by showing just how spectacular the games look on the machine, have been uncovered as fakes. In trying to wipe some off the egg off their faces Microsoft has now apologised for any confusion caused and re-labelled the shots as "conceptual art". Forget about the barn door, boys, that three legged old nag dressed up as a stallion is gone. [END OF ARTICLE]

My feelings exactly. And if you haven't yet read my article on what else is wrong with the X-Box, click here

[TheBlueScrab]

Hi
I can understand a bit, but i don`t understand much english, it's interesting (that what i've understood) !!!

Bye, TheBlueScrab

[Osiris The Fleech]

Yeah!!!!

VIVA LA REVOLUCION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I propose we start some sort of anti-x-box-and-OI-team or something. ARE YOU WITH ME???

[Steel Shark 100]

Reality check kiddies. XBOX is for real. No matter how much someone does not want to believe it. All you dudes and dudettes let me tell you that I have seen over 50 XBOX games running and in playable form,real time in person and it is the "REAL THING". There are about 20 games as well that I have playtested that most will know nothing of for another 6 months to a year, next gen 2nd wave titles that will blow your minds even more so than these first one's will.

All systems are great, I will own them all, options and choices are the way to go, but there is no machine with the high potential and ceiling of the XBOX in sheer brute power baby, and you can sit and stir all you want about it, this beast is going no where but to the top. Just think of it XBOX+ MO+ HDTV= BLISS. Get out of denial children.

I mean it's like someone not believing in a supreme being of some kind, it's ridiculous, we all know science is God's toy. That's a little salt in your wounds there Middlesboogie. And I'm not even really into religion very much, go figure. Wake up and get out of your narrow minded mind set little one. This is a ODDWORLD site and that means XBOX lovers place as well. Hey PSX2 is fine, I own one, but stop ragging on XBOX with ridiculous statements that have no true meaning, false crap and negativity. Take your negative preaching to a PSX Forum, it's not fair to flame people here just looking for fun and info, get some morals and quit with the absolute crap you preach, it's totally false and unproven facts coming from someone with no actual background or real life look or proof of what they speak of.

Your wake up call comes soon child, XBOX is coming and it roars, that's a fact from a person whom has witnessed this firsthand. I've sat around long enough listening to you rag and bitch and be just out and out negative with unsubstantial crap.

Wake up all the systems have something to offer, and XBOX in my opinion the most. And yes I am a true pro who knows everything there is to know on CG and games. So stop blowing hot bull up everyone's arse with total lies and false propaganda. Grow up. Your just no good for this Forum, and if it were up to me you would be flat on your arse out of here long ago little one who speaks with forked tongue.

[heyweave420]

Steel Shark 100 your words are wise and true... and i agree with you 100%...

WAKE UP CHILDREN OF IGNORENCE!!!!!!!

XBOX RULES

[iliodd]

For the record... the shots that were faked were from AMPED, a snowboarding game. They were Photoshopped by some Xbox fans around March. They were not done by the programmers or the Xbox promotional people. And judging from the recent screenshots, it'll look almost as good as the altered pictures by the time it's released this fall.

[MrBoj]

i find it interesting that other magazines dedicated to certain systems are "subtely bashing" the X-Box. does this mean that the X-Box will be a good system and is worthy of all this bashing? If Oddworld is on it, hell yeah!

[DarkHoodness]

Oh boy. I have a feeling this is gonna turn out as a big fight. As far as I'm conserned, both PSX 2 and X-BOX look really, really cool. There are things wrong with both systems, but who cares? They are both good game consoles, and you can play good games on them. If you can't have all systems, upgrade your PC, and get good emulators (like I might do). Far more cheaper.
- DH

[Sydney]

I'd like to think that Oddworld Forums are a place where people can express their opinions without the need to insult, condescend and ridicule one's religious beliefs. You know who I am talking about.

Back on topic. In my opinion, the other Next Generation consoles feel threatened by the Xbox, which is understandable. From what I have seen Xbox looks quite fine and I have very little concern with those who oppose it. I dont think protesting against Microsoft will be of great consequence.

[Steel Shark 100]

You talking to me..... You talking to me...... Sydney ? I come down on someone twice here after being provoked, only then. You come slithering then with your backoff "TUDE" towards me, fine, you do what you must. However what happened those times I was attacked by clueless punk kids, where were you? Not a word. I say 1 thing and there you are, brother I get the picture, I deal with your kind all the time.

And what's with your condenscending topic, anytime you address me, I wrote page after page of true in-game looks of tons of games here, for the most part ABE BABE was the only one courtious enough to acknoweledge, you not once, you don't think I know why.I lay down hard facts only, no propaganda, no lies or squirting the truth. You know that sometimes in the great big blue sea and in life itself there are bigger fish, get used to it. Just because someone knows something does not mean they are being condenscending,sometimes things must be explained to prove a point,it's not my problem if someone get's there panties in a bunch when they hear someone is in good standing in this sweet world of ours. I've just talked within the realm of games here, not once did I go off into the real sweet aspects of my life, I believe if I had someone may have had a heart attack.

This person Middles whatever is an unsubstantiated clown, a lost kid without the first inkling of what is fact and reality. It's unbelieavable to hear it over and over again. As Sydney stated this is a Forum, expression is free, I have been insulted with total crap and lies and absolute negativity, well now in this forum of free expression I give mine.

There are a lot of people here who are fine, and have not had the luck or oppurtunity to see what I have, with these out and out unsubstantiated lies by Middle,they may be swayed in believing that the XBOX and even MO are not what they really are. And that is what is really not fair. Blatant lies to throw people off are a major piece of crap, and I for one wanted to voice my opinion. This is a little kid whom cannot afford a XBOX and therefore belittle's it. And in doing so possibly deprives others to not have the oppurtunity to own one themselves.

Anyway this is all a waste of time. Abe Babe keep cool, you
are a very hip and nice person.

[Crazy Vykker]

Man, ONLY for the oddworld games, only for this,the Xbox is the best option!!!!!!!!

In added have a lot of good games: Malice, Halo, the Xbox version of Onimusha, Jet Set Radio future.... and it´s only de begining

Xbox lives!!!!!!

[Sal the Mudokon]

seems like youve been watchin taxi driver too much steelshark! well, as long as you dont attempt to assassinate senators, save 13 year old prostitutes, shoot pimps, or stab a man in the head with his own knife that he was wielding with the hand opposite the one that you shot off, we'll be alright... or have i seen it too many times?

[Sydney]

Wooo, calm down Steel Shark. Don't take it personally. I just quietly reminded people to ensure diplomacy when in discussion.

The reason why I hadn't responded to many of your topics is because frankly, apart from Munch's Oddysee, games don't really interest me. However, I do recall thanking you for your Oddworld newsfinds. Apart from this, most of your posts are specifically directed to Abe Babe anyway.

And please, don't make this an issue of victimization. If you enjoy the kind of life you say you do, then this kind of criticism should be a grain of salt for you.

The fact that you "know something" is not what makes you condescending, it's the way you make a point of having to lower yourself to communicate with the "children," as you call them. Middlesboogie simply posted an article she found in a magazine, making it open for conversation. All you needed to do was discuss your opinions and back them up with facts rather than taking a militant stand against another member, in which you belittled her and constantly referred to her as a juvenile. You also attacked the member's religious beliefs. This kind of behaviour is not welcome at Oddworld Forums, and I would have said the same thing to anyone else who behaved this way.

[titeuf62]

I'm with you all the way Osiris!!!
By the way it's "vive la revolution"

[One, Two, Middlesboogie]

Steel Shark, for your information I am not belittling the X-Box because I can't afford it. I paid for my PS2 (it's not called a PSX2, for crying out loud!) with my own money, and I could very easily buy an X-Box if I wanted one.

And how come I get growled at for expressing my opinion, when you believe that you can say yours without any problems? That is unfair. I am also a respectable (note: I'm not saying respected, I'm saying respectable) member of this community, and I believe I have added a lot of humour and colour to OF since I joined. The only things to which I have ever directed my wrath to are Microsoft and OI. I have never gone out of my way to provoke, insult or flame anyone, and I am very sorry if I ever have hurt anyone's feeling during my life at OF; that certainly wasn't my intention. On the other hand, your comments were extremely hurtful. I am on the verge of tears as I type this. All you had to do was put forward that you disagreed with me. You did not have to put me down and say I had a 'forked tongue', a narrow mind, or call me 'little one'. Would you like it if I said those things to you? You are a bully.

I am still waiting for an apology from Lorne Lanning to all the PS2 fans who were awaiting MO. It's not the fact that OI changed systems that angers me (although I wish they hadn't); it's the fact that they let down and made to feel used a load of fans. When Lanning declares a public apology to all hoi polloi disappointed people, and acknowledges that he is sorry they feel so angry, I shall buy an X-Box and a copy of his game. Until then, the only way I shall purchase MO is if it comes out on PC or PS2.

Yes, Osiris, I am with you. Viva la revolution, indeed. We both know Lanning joined Microsoft only for their money. Let us fight the good fight.

[Steel Shark 100]

Middlesboogie states:

HAS THE X-BOX BITTEN OFF MORE THAN

IT CAN CHEW?

A supposedly big announcement by Microsoft has revealed three Sega games - Panzer Dragoon, Jet Set Radio and Sega GT - will be appearing on X-Box. What they fail to highlight is the fact that while all of these games suffered from seriously disappointing sales on the previous Sega machines, PS2 has already snapped up some of Sega's biggest selling classics in the shape of Crazy Taxi, Virtua Fighter 4 and Space Channel 5. Not such a coup after all then.

Not only are they suffering from having the least successful of Sega's games on their machine, it seems they're also not too confident about X-Box's capabilities. Recent shots to promote the console, by showing just how spectacular the games look on the machine, have been uncovered as fakes. In trying to wipe some off the egg off their faces Microsoft has now apologised for any confusion caused and re-labelled the shots as "conceptual art". Forget about the barn door, boys, that three legged old nag dressed up as a stallion is gone. [END OF ARTICLE]

My feelings exactly. And if you haven't yet read my article on what else is wrong with the X-Box, click here.


Then she states : The only things to which I have ever directed my wrath to are Microsoft and OI. I have never gone out of my way to provoke, insult or flame anyone.


Now anyone please be the judge of those statements. Hypocritical as can be, bottomline, sorry but that is a fact. You believe in something, fine, voice you're opinion, no problem. But when doing so you better believe that sometimes you step on others toes,and a backlash of their opinions are coming. I will own all three systems, along with upgrading my PC's every 4 months or so, I play only the best of the best at any given time. And I will state that XBOX is as sweet as it gets. Lorne Lanning owes no apologies to anyone.

You state that he did it for the money, how ludicrous. If he does what he does only for the money, he would have put out MO on the PS2 by now in an inferior state. Made his so-called money, and then still gotten it out for the XBOX, more money, do the math. You are wrong in your assesment of the person.

Virtua fighter and crazy taxi 2 along with other arcade titles from Sega are coming to XBOX, not confirmed yet but a given to those in the know, believe it. As for Panzer Dragoon, you can recall it on the Saturn, I have seen it in motion and got a glimpse of what it will be on the XBOX, astounding, it can not be done on the other machines. And don't forget I like and will own the other machines.

PS2, Herdy Gerdy,Ico, GT3, and a few more,for me a nice machine for some extra "A" quality titles. Gamecube, Mario, Zelda, metroid, Ravenblade, Too human, Thornado,Mario carts, + more, along with the genuine essence of what Nintendo offers will not be passed up by me. However XBOX is a beast with the higest ceiling of potential with already dozens of up-coming true next-gen titles, I have seen and playtested dozens, I call it like I see it, fair and true, no hype, or reason to back it, just pointing out what I see.When you see games, actually see them on the BOX, games such as Kleaners, Orchid, Terminal reality, Heavens beast, 24 Automatons,Project Ego, Enclave, Panzer Dragoon ( The true next gen one), and soooo many others,you cannot deny this systems power and options to a true gamer.

Middlesboogie stated to me: You did not have to put me down and say I had a 'forked tongue', a narrow mind, or call me 'little one'. Would you like it if I said those things to you? You are a bully.

Actually I know just who I am and no one can harm my feelings when attempting to insult me, due to the fact that I believe and know myself. If someone were to say to me you speak with forked tongue, it would not bother me in the least due to the fact that I speak only the truth, there words mean nothing to me. If called narrow minded, it too is nothing to me for I know I have a open mind. As for someone calling me little one, well let's just say that would really take the cake for joke of the year, I'm 6-4 tall and weigh 245 pounds, and that weight comes from lifting weights, not over eating.And I'llmtell you I'm not a bully, I stand up for my rights, and when provoked as you have done with your statements toward XBOX I speak up.I speak with firsthand knowledge having playtested everything out there, and when someone comes into my area of expertise and knocks it with "UNSUBSTANTIATED CRAP", meaning never seeing even one game in true motion or knowing any of it's workings such as engine running the game, to see what it's true potential is bothers me very much. You give me true facts, not propaganda from jealous rivals, go ahead, i'll listen, to how the XBOX is not it. It's not possible however, It has already given me all the details and facts I need to know, from specs to the true hard evidence gameplay and actual time with these games.

You voiced your opinion,fair enough,and you got an answer from someone, take it as it is. It's not fair to others here whom are up in the air about a system, with your negativity towards it they may never get a chance to see it's true potential and great next gen power. They may just go out and buy a PS2, and from there not be able to get a XBOX afterwards. And then just wonder to themselves after seeing the truth about an XBOX " Why oh why did'nt I get an XBOX instead of this PS2". Some people may only get one system, so lay down true facts, not propaganda, just because you are upset that MO is not coming to PS2 does not mean that XBOX is lousy or evil. You have no ground to stand on in judging this system, you can voice your opinion, fine, but don't think that it cannot be answered in something contrary to your opinion.

Where in the world does your dissapoint come from, be happy that you can play a superior game such as MO on a superior system, the game is meant for the BOX. We voiced our opinion's, enough now, we understand one another, and I hope others here can now be a better judge of what they will want in the long run. Keep your minds open and be your own judge, no reason to knock any of the systems, they all offer fun and variety. And MO belongs on the BOX, not a knock on the other systems, it's just a fact, for this particular game.

There is nothing else to say.

[Yemmling]

okey doke,

its my opinion that most of us in the oddworld forums respect lorne and co. for their choice of moving from the ps2 to the xbox because in the long run, it will make us happier with better graphics, gameplay and overall super happy fun time but i dont see reason for you, middlesboogie to go shooting your mouth off at such a tightly packed group of x fans here.
although im not going to mentaphorically salivate on your new shoes in anger for bringing about such an oppositely biased point, i just dont see the point in you showing us fans more facts against what we believe in. im not christian, but i dont run around churches holding flaming crosses and shouting "SATAN RUUUUULES, MAN!!!!"
now im not scolding you for having an opinion you're more than able to have and cherish, but if it offends people, i dont see any good in flaunting around.
i do think that ps2 as well as gamecube are quality systems...being a fan of the final fantasy games , i think i speak for abebabe and myself in saying that ffX should be ours as xbox fans, but i also believe xbox will carry the torch in the future(atleast until ps3)and any opinions on how horrific(or terrific) it will be should be with-ehld untiol november 8.....o yeeeah.

[LuxoJr]

It doesn't sound so far-fetched. Before the PS2 release, Tecmo released dodgy screenshots of Dead or Alive 2: Hardcore. They looked amazing - no aliasing whatsoever....

And have you seen the final product? It looks worse than the Dreamcast version, despite the PS2's graphics capabilities. That was blatently false advertising.

[Cloverfield]

I was actually going to post yesterday in this topic, but I got adding the Oddicons and time got the better of me. I want to try and sound neutral here as I don't want to offend any memebers... as everyone here is a great person, even if I don't agree w/ their opinions.

First off I just want to say that Sydney was just doing his job as administrator, he would have said the same thing to anyone else, so don't take it personally SteelShark... and from you're later post, I'm sure that you won't.

The thing I guess is is that some people are more easily offended than others... this applies to everyone. Some get offended easily by names, but others shrug it off like water off a duck's back. Others don't like the way that people talk about something or refer to something. I personally get offended when people say that Lorne and OWI sold out to Microsoft for money (no offense TF, just the way I feel), but I'll move onto that later. On a forum it can be very easy to offend someone, and although it may not be meant in a nasty manner, it can be interpreted that way (once again, that goes for everyone and different things). So it's kind of hard to know if you are saying something wrong. I guess all people can do is leave the differences behind and move on. That's what I find is the best thing to do. But on the other hand I don't like to hear that a member of the forums has been crying. *extends sympathy to TF*

OK... well that's my boring Administrator rant over. I hope I didn't offend anyone there.

I of course am a supporter of the Xbox, and of any decision that OWI has made in the past, present or future. I've made that clear before. But I do strongly disagree when people try to say that Lorne and OWI sold out, actually I hate reading that. I had this argument with many people over at the Infogrames Forums, and believe me, there were a lot of nasty and degrading comments coming from furious PSX/PS2 fans over there. As it has been stated a million and one times before, OWI made the decision mainly due to the limitations that they were faced with on the PS2, mainly limitations that would have meant Munch's Oddysee not being the way that they intended it to be. The Xbox came along, and Oddworld saw the opportunity there and grasped it. Not only that, Microsoft gave OWI the support that they never got from Sony. E3 is one recent example... Oddworld have never had an opportunity to have that kind of exposure. Look back at the PSX releases of Abe's Oddysee and Exoddus, they couldn't even make it onto the shelves on the release date, and that was no fault of OWI's. Anyway, I have to disagree that Lorne owes people an apology, he doesn't owe anything like that to anyone. The decison was made for decisions that OWI knew would be best for not only Munch's Oddysee, but for the future of the Oddworld Quintology (well the next 5 titles at least).

I am not bias towards only one console. I have a large favour towards the Xbox for reasons of the Oddworld kind, but I am open to other consoles also. I want FFX to come out on Xbox also, but if that doesn't happen, I'm not going to condone Square for not releasing it on Xbox. I'll just have to save my money for an PS2 (which will be a good thing anyway). And with some of SteelShark's views I'm even willing to look at the Gamecube.

However the majority of people here would be pro Xbox, or at least pro OWI if they don't 100% support the Xbox decision.

There will always be console wars though for as long as there are multiple consoles. It probably would be easier if there were only one console in the world, but then that would be like saying that Coke was the only "cola" soft drink, or Nike were the only runners in the world.

Abe Babe...

[ June 14, 2001: Message edited by: Abe Babe ]

[Osiris The Fleech]

Well, you all say what you want, I still hate the move to XBOX. I am with you all the way, Yuto and Middlesboogie. OI should have at least given us more notice befor they moved.

vive la revolution!

[Joe the Intern]

i completely back up the OWI decision. OWI made the switch to xbox so that we could fully enjoy what MO had to offer. If OWI had released abe's oddysee and abe's exoddus on n64, would anyone like it? maybe. but we got the maximum support for AO and AE from playstation. i have reason to believe that lorne lanning doesnt owe anyone an apology at all. if anything, oddworld fans should be thanking mr.lanning. like so many other people here i was disappointed when MO moved to XBOX, but i now feel that it was definitely the right decision. the XBOX has superior capabilities and it only costs about as much as the PS2. what more could you ask for? and it wont pay to bash other people either (believe me ive learned my lesson). all in all, it was a great decision to move MO to XBOX.