Atheism and Religion: Your views

[Kimon]

There's what, 10 thousand Hindu gods?

I believe there are over a million dieties. I could be wrong, though.

[Nepharski]

I'm a Christian. Personally, I think Atheism is a little senseless, partly because it's logic kinda defeats itself when it comes to creation (Maybe more on this later). Bhuddism and Hinduism are okay, but are not really worth my time because if they are correct, then eventually another life of mine will get it right anyway, so I think I'll spend this one where I am just to be safe.

Also, and I run into this on other forums, a lot of the Old Testament punishments (If your son is slothful he must be stoned to death, etc.) don't apply to Christianity because the idea is that Jesus died so people wouldn't need to suffer those Earthy injuries to, "atone." I don't know how the Jews go on about it, though.

And as far as, "Raping the texts," goes, they keep finding older and older copies of the Bible, so eventually we shall see what's going on (That is, if we don't already). Also, there is some place in the Bible where it says something like, "He who changes these texts shall be cursed in the eyes of God." Considering the superstitious ways of people back then, and a rather apparent lack of evidence, I'm not so sure of that whole, "Raping the texts," theory.

I'm done.

[big bro boogie]

There's what, 10 thousand Hindu gods? Well he may believe in these forms, but think of them as states of nature, rather than of a 'God'. At least that's what I'd guess.

Well, you're right and wrong at the same time, dude. I don't state gods as huge unknown powers (like raising up my hands to the sky and dance the Unga-Bunga dance).

Hindus believe in the nameless and fysically formless Power in many un-fysical forms.
(as energy hasn't got a form, yet still exisits).
And Each of these forms (gods) are like pure forms of primal-nature (sort of like pure energy, divided into several kinds of nature.)
The theories of A. Einstein and S. Hawkins haven't left me. They're kinda true.
Yet still The Bang needs energie to process. There is nothing without it. So until a smart guy comes and tell me where that energy came from, I keep on believing that something has to have given Pure energy to start it all. (The many faced god Brahma)

[Jacob]

'Considering the superstitious ways of people back then, and a rather apparent lack of evidence, I'm not so sure of that whole, "Raping the texts," theory.'

The fact they brandished Mary Magdalen a whore when she wasn't is one such fact, which i find mightily disturbing. And also adding certain phrases.

'The first known appearance of the term homosexual in print is found in an anonymously published 1869 German pamphlet written by the Hungarian Karl-Maria Kertbeny.

Though, bizarrely, the Bible has the term "Homosexual" in it. Suggesting that, contrary to belief, they didn't actually put the term in there themselves.

[CheeseOfGlory]

Yet still The Bang needs energie to process. There is nothing without it. So until a smart guy comes and tell me where that energy came from, I keep on believing that something has to have given Pure energy to start it all. (The many faced god Brahma)

So basically you're saying that something must have started the universe/big bang, and that thing was Brahma. Yet the universe is everyhing that is, ever was, and ever shall be. Thus this god must be within the universe and must have been "started" himself, this just begs the question what created Brahma. If he didn't need to be created, then clearly not everything in the universe needs to be started. So why can't the creation of the universe have been started by itself. If Brahma has always been there, why can't the universe also have always been here.

Scientifically, there is the possibility that the big bang came into being from a fluctuation in the quantum vacuum, similar to the whole virtual particle thing that happens around black holes (read a brief history of time)

I also enjoy tacos.

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haha. I heard (although it's probably a load of bull) that at that time, the extra demensional energy that manefests itself with the space time continuam was becoming too great anfd thus created the Big Bang.

[Leto]

I am an athiest. Though I accept whatever religion someone wishes to be manipulated by.

Firstly, I'm bringing up something different. This was on a Christian anti pokemon blog about RPGs...:

ROLE-PLAY AND PSYCHOLOGICAL ADDICTION. The televised Pokemon show brings suggestions and images that set the stage for the next steps of entanglement. It beckons the young spectator to enter the manipulative realm of role-play, where fantasy simulates reality, and the buyer becomes a slave to their programmer.

Remember, in the realm of popular role-playing games - whether it's Pokemon, Magic the Gathering, or other selections -- the child becomes the master. As in contemporary witchcraft, he or she wields the power. Their arm, mind, or power-symbol (the pokemon or other action figure) become the channel for the spiritual forces. Children from Christian homes may have learned to say, "Thy will be done," but in the role-playing world, this prayer is twisted into "My will be done!" God, parents, and pastors no longer fit into the picture fantasized by the child.

Psychologists have warned that role-playing can cause the participant to actually experience, emotionally, the role being played. Again, "the child becomes the master." Or so it seems to the player.

Actually, the programmer who writes the rules is the master. And when the game includes occultism and violence, the child-hero is trained to use "his" or "her" spiritual power to kill, poison, evolve, and destroy -- over and over. Not only does this repetitive practice blur the line between reality and fantasy, it also sears the conscience and causes the player to devalue life. The child learns to accept unthinkable behavior as "normal" .

To be a winner within this system, the committed player must know and follow the rules of the game. Obedience becomes a reflex, strengthened by instant rewards or positive reinforcement. The rules and rewards force the child to develop new habits and patterned responses to certain stimuli. Day after day, this powerful psychological process manipulates the child's thoughts, feelings, and actions, until his or her personality changes and, as many parents confirm, interest in ordinary family life begins to wither away.

You may have recognized those preceding terms as those often used by behavioral psychologists. They point to a sophisticated system of operant conditioning or behavior modification. The child must exercise his own intelligent mind to learn the complex rules. But after learning the rules, the programmed stimuli produce conditioned responses in the player. These responses become increasingly automatic, a reflex action. Naturally, this can leads to psychological addiction, a craving for ever greater (and more expensive) thrills and darker forces.

http://www.crossroad.to/text/articles/pokemon5-99.html You should read this, the Pokemon bits are a scream.

That's a lot of reading, but you can see how blind and misinformed they are. Naturally, I assume this whole thing was written by an old woman who never leaves her house.

That is the problem I find with some religions. The fact that this idiot is completely outruling RPGs to members of her religion.

EDIT: BAH. I'll argue more when Im not so docile and relaaaaaaxed. So just read or I kill you.

[big bro boogie]

If he didn't need to be created, then clearly not everything in the universe needs to be started. So why can't the creation of the universe have been started by itself. If Brahma has always been there, why can't the universe also have always been here.

Godamnit, you're right. Why didn't I see that?... Great, there goes my theory.

Scientifically, there is the possibility that the big bang came into being from a fluctuation in the quantum vacuum, similar to the whole virtual particle thing that happens around black holes (read a brief history of time)

That's what Hawking actually told. I skipped that part (I think).
But this takes a whole lot of other dimensions than Length, Width, Depth and Time.
Which I don't care about anymore... Since I'm sleepy again.

[used:)]

Weeeeeee! I have spiritual powers! Actually (as stupid as this may sound), I have sometiems manipulated the weather around. Sometimes I pray to an entity, which I refer to as spirits, to do stuff like make it rain, make it stop raining, make clouds covr the sky, etc. and it happens. I know it sounds like a load of stupid bushwa *hears Dino and Super Munch sharpening their knives* but it is pretty coincidentally weird.

[Dark Oddworld]

I am an athiest. Though I accept whatever religion someone wishes to be manipulated by.

Firstly, I'm bringing up something different. This was on a Christian anti pokemon blog about RPGs...:

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http://www.crossroad.to/text/articles/pokemon5-99.html You should read this, the Pokemon bits are a scream.

That's a lot of reading, but you can see how blind and misinformed they are. Naturally, I assume this whole thing was written by an old woman who never leaves her house.

That is the problem I find with some religions. The fact that this idiot is completely outruling RPGs to members of her religion.

EDIT: BAH. I'll argue more when Im not so docile and relaaaaaaxed. So just read or I kill you.

Well I didn't know playing Final Fantasy, Morrwind, Kingdom Heart and such is sinful! Now I'm really going to hell!

People don't need to wast there time going aganst stupid, harmless kid stuff. If you don't like it don't let your kid see it but you don't need to go out and try to make other stop playing or watching it.

[Leto]

Morrwind

That and your signashure is going to make you friends on this forum.

You should read what they say about Pokemon. Their arguement is basically: "There's a link on the Pokemon webiste to Magic The Gathering*, which gives you supernatural mystical skills OF SATAN".

*MAGIC IS TEH BEST KARD GAMEZOR

*hears Dino and Super Munch sharpening their knives*

[used:)]

^^ Hahahaha.

Very funny, seriously thats funny.

[Dino]

Scientifically, there is the possibility that the big bang came into being from a fluctuation in the quantum vacuum, similar to the whole virtual particle thing that happens around black holes (read a brief history of time)

I also enjoy tacos.

Have you heard the theory that matter is just space curved around itself to form an impenetrable spherical void? Makes you wonder whether the void within that matter is the same as the void outside of the universe. Or maybe matter is just another universe with another little tiny earth in it? Maybe this universe is a particle making up a hydrocarbon of someone's TV set?

I personally prefer fajitas, paella, and pizza hut nachos.

[used:)]

Actually, some scientists believe that there were many big bangs before our's. And some day, all of our universe will collapse upon itself and soon enough, there will be another big bang.

[Dino]

Actually scientists do not know whether the universe will be annihilated when it collapses.

[used:)]

It scares me. Knowing there's just eternal space.

[Dino]

The universe does have walls you know!

They're beige. That's an actual fact, I shit you not. The universe is beige.

[used:)]

But whats beyond those walls is what scares me, not what matter is beyond them. Just the limitless space.

[Leto]

Or maybe matter is just another universe with another little tiny earth in it? Maybe this universe is a particle making up a hydrocarbon of someone's TV set?

I have completely thought of both of those statements before. This entire universe could be an atom of somebodies hair. :/

And the other Earth thing, I always thought was extremely possible.

Very funny, seriously thats funny.

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[Dino]

I've always liked this one;

[used:)]

I have completely thought of both of those statements before. This entire universe could be an atom of somebodies hair. :/

And the other Earth thing, I always thought was extremely possible.


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^^ Hee hee hee. I read in Time once that there was this theory that our universe is just a big conglomerate and every business's profits go to God. Pretty stupid. That thing about the hair particle may well be true. Some say the big bang was smaller than the atom at first.

[Leto]

The big bang could've been some fat kid popping a zit.

Anythings possible.