The history of Oddworld is in trouble!

[TheKhanzumer]

Here is the problem.

For a long time it has been common knowledge around the forums that the mudokon hand moon had always been around. The reason that the glukkons became the industrial menace they are today is because of it. The arrogant mudokon tribes said that since the moon looked like their paw, they were the chosen rulers of Oddworld. The jealous glukkons soon began dabbling in science. Thus the Alchemy Age of Oddworld began. The glukkons were trying to alter their hands so that they would also be the "Chosen Ones". Something went wrong and it drastically changed the glukkon society. After that they began to enslave the "almighty" mudokons and force them to work in their factories. During the Alchemy Age the glukkons learned a lot about business and the developement of food goods. With mudokons as slave labor and sligs as security (after a contract with Skillya) the glukkons were on their way to the top. Today the Magog Cartel is the most influential industrial power on Oddworld, selling their goods to the khanzumers.

So what is the problem you ask? The problem is that when Pilot and AbeBabe visited OWI, Lorne said the moons paw-shaped crater was formed by a meteor shower after Abe escaped from RuptureFarms.

So the history of Oddworld now needs to be seriously rewritten. Anyone have any ideas? Alf, could you help us out?

[Oddsville]

Its time to make up a theory! Ok, heres my idea. Mabye the moons crater wasn't quit formed and it looked like a mix between a Glucks paw and a Mudokons paw. But on that night when the moon passed through a meteor shower it kinda... "straitend" it out making it more clear and more Mudokonish.

[Gluk Schmuck]

I think Lorne just proved that somebody else wrote the bit about mudokons thinking they were superior because of the paw-print.

[Kaimana]

They must have been mixed up the story
if the paw of a mudokon was branded when it past through a meteor shower after Abe escaped *Rupture Farms.

[Wil]

It's not the fact that the story has now got a huge dent in it that worries me - I'm a fan of Red Dwarf, or was at least, and as far as continuity is concerned there, there's hardly any at all.

What really upsets me is that Lorne said we would never know how the moon's face was formed. Never...as in not ever. Perhaps this is just symbolic of how Oddworld has lost its mysterious feel.

[TheKhanzumer]

Or maybe when he said that we would never learn it was because he was to lazy to come up with a serious answer. Then he got an idea that it was caused by a meteor shower and, excited to share this idea, he forgot the history that we thought was official.

[Kaimana]

there you go Khanzumer i think that may just be the answer

[Mac the Janitor]

Maybe they aren't telling us because the movies will explain it.

[Xavier]

I think we should ask alf but probably don't know...
Lorne was right... I don't understand anything anymore

[Kaimana]

I guess we just have to be patient.

[MojoMan220]

There will be five moons that go with the five saviors at the end of the quintology, I dout we'll get an explination for them all. Meteor showers for them all is pretty weak, you or they might have misunderstood.

[Sal the Mudokon]

EXTREME Spoiler Alert:












In M.O., the "Happy Ending" includes Abe and Munch discovering that after their adventure was a successs, one of the smaller moons of Oddworld has now gained a huge Gabbit foot on it. This might explain Lorne's idea to change the time when Abe's moon appeared... still, it REALLY confuses me... IVE BEEN LIVING A LIE!!!

[MojoMan220]

Originally posted by Sal the Mudokon
EXTREME Spoiler Alert:












In M.O., the "Happy Ending" includes Abe and Munch discovering that after their adventure was a successs, one of the smaller moons of Oddworld has now gained a huge Gabbit foot on it. This might explain Lorne's idea to change the time when Abe's moon appeared... still, it REALLY confuses me... IVE BEEN LIVING A LIE!!!

That's not a big spoiler anymore, Lorne Lanning had said a while back that each savior would have their own moon. Plus, if you haven't seen the good ending yet you probably don't care, and if you still don't have XBOX and/ or haven't seen the interview, then you deserve to get it spoiled! With sympathy...

[Sal the Mudokon]

Sorry, I was just looking out for the good of the common Munchless... and computerless... and Medialess for that matter...
For the good of the Amish... with the Internet... I need to think these things out first...

[Wil]

One of the smaller moons of Oddworld has now gained a huge Gabbit foot on it.

How can you be sure it's a moon we've seen before? There were a lot of moons over the Free-Fire Zone in Abe's Oddysee, but perhaps this moon has just appeared in the night sky from the other side of Oddworld. It's only been a few days since the beginning of the Quintology, I don't think it's unreasonable to assume Munch's Moon orbits every couple of weeks or so.

[Xavier]

it's hard to admit it's only a few days...
so your theory max, is that all the moons of the 5 heros where allready there befor the quintology history

[Wil]

Well, no, not really. Abe's Moon obviously has been, but I've no idea about Munch's Moon, I was merely pointing out another possibility. But it would be rather boring if all 5 moons have been around for yonks, I agree.

[Xavier]

I don't see what's wrong with the idee of a same origin for all the moons, it's just more powerfull! desteny and stuff

"I didn't know, I have a desteny"
sound familiar

[One, Two, Middlesboogie]

Originally posted by Gluk Schmuck
I think Lorne just proved that somebody else wrote the bit about mudokons thinking they were superior because of the paw-print.

I for one am pleased about that. I never did like that theory. I don't think the Glukkons would be petty or stupid enough to get so worked up about a shape on the moon, and I didn't like the idea of the Glukks changing their hands to look like the Mudokons'; not only is it not possible to change a whole species in that way, but I don't think they'd do that. Look at some of the earlier picures on Oddworld.com; the Glukkons have 5 fingers with claws and the Muds have four fingers with flat nails; I think the Glukks are intelligent enough to realise that they got the better deal there.

[Kaimana]

One thing i noticed that may relate to the Meteor theory is that when i was watching the video from AO when abe escaped rupture farms and he saw the moon the paw print was there but if you look good in the paw print are craters all over the inside wich may suggest that a many meteors hit that spot on the moon to create the paw print. Whatever caused this is beyond me.

[Pilot]

Originally posted by TheKhanzumer
So what is the problem you ask? The problem is that when Pilot and AbeBabe visited OWI, Lorne said the moons paw-shaped crater was formed by a meteor shower after Abe escaped from RuptureFarms.

&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp Actually, Lorne didn't tell us this personally. While we were visiting OWI we watched a TV feature on Oddworld which had originally aired in the G4 Network. If anyone here is in the US and subscribes to digital cable they would have been able to find out this information a couple of months back, but it looks like no one ever saw this show.

&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp Originally it was going to be in the Abe's Exoddus opening FMV, but it got cut due to time contraints. You also mentioned that it was a "well known fact" that the moon had always had the Mudokon paw print on it. In reality, this "fact" was only structured upon off of a vague mention on the old Oddworld site. This was never a "confirmed fact." Sorry to burst everyone's comfortable bubble.

&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp The original reason this happened was to demonstrate the "greater powers at be. " Whether or not you believe in that sort of thing is irrelevant... to those who know, it makes perfect sense. You can think of it as the fates that control Abe's destiny.

[Xavier]

so it wasn't true...
and why was it on the official site then?
and the true reason is a simple meteorite crach on the moon

[Sydney]

Originally posted by Pilot
You also mentioned that it was a "well known fact" that the moon had always had the Mudokon paw print on it. In reality, this "fact" was only structured upon off of a vague mention on the old Oddworld site. This was never a "confirmed fact." Sorry to burst everyone's comfortable bubble.

The reference to Oddworld's history on the old site wasn't vague, it was quite comprehensive. Fans took it as gospel; I'd like to think that when the history of Oddworld is documented on the official site, it really is official. This is why I continue to believe that Oddworld's past involved friction between the Mudokons and the Glukkons over religion and the moon.

[Xavier]

for those who don't know this is the text we are talking about:

A long time ago, the Glukkons and the Mudokons lived lives that would belie their future entanglement with one another. The Glukkons were not masters of
Mudokon slaves.

Buried in the mists of Oddworldian time - unknown even by modern Mudokons - is a memory of the Mudokons as they once were: a race of spiritual folk who
weren't necessarily averse to warfare. Not warlike themselves, they served as advisors.

The folk the Mudokons counseled and the not-necessarily-admirable stuff they did in that capacity will be revealed. We'll also learn just how this noble and
seemingly powerful race of creatures went from the upper echelons of Oddworldian culture down to the slaves used in Glukkon factories.

The Glukkons were at one time a very spiritual people. In fact, while the Mudokons were going through their Advisor Era, the Glukkons were going through
an era of their own: the Alchemy Era. Their belief system centered on the moon that orbited Oddworld; the face of the planet appeared to bear the mark of a
Mudokon's handprint. At the time, the Mudokons considered this a sign that they were the Chosen People. The Glukkons went to great lengths through their
alchemy to disprove this theory and prove that they - in fact - were the true chosen people. During the course of these experiments, a disaster of unknown type
occurred and almost wipped out the Glukkons.

In short, this accident set the wheels of fate into motion. The remaining Glukkons became "Enclosurists," not wanting to look up in the sky and be reminded
of the fact that they weren't the Chosen ones. As a result, they immediately began spending all their waking hours inside. Over the course of the many years that
ensued, their eyes became incapable of dealing with natural light. Further, they rejected their mystical heritage in favor of a colder, more scientific approach to
their problems. Lurking beneath their disbelief, though, is almost an inbred hatred of the Mudokons for their claim to divinity. This scientific approach, coupled
with nascent ill will for Mudokons eventually lead to the management approach that would have no problem enslaving Abe and all of his kind in the name of the
all mighty bottom line.

So that's the story so far. There are a couple of important things to keep in mind as the Oddworld story unfolds in the coming years, though.

[TheKhanzumer]

What Pilot said made since until I read Sydney's post. The moon history of oddworld was on the official site. The recent moon story was also from a very official source (thanks for clearing that one up Pilot). Now we somehow need to work these two stories together, creating a slightly altered history.

My suggestion is that we simply take out the parts in the old history about the moon. The mudokons still had their Advisor Age and the glukkons their Alchemy Age, but it wasn't caused by the moon. All the same stuff happened, but because the glukkons and mudokons simply didn't like each other, not because of the moon. Then the moon was formed after Abe escaped RuptureFarms.

This is the best I could come up with. Anyone have any suggestions?

[One, Two, Middlesboogie]

I like it, Khanz. All we have to do now is think of a catalyst for the Mudokons and Glukkons suddenly not liking each other. Maybe one side became jealous of something the other had acquired, or maybe there was some dispute over the sharing of a rare natural resource (like that famous puzzle; a man owns a hen, who lays an egg in the garden of another man. Who is the rightful owner of the egg; the hen's owner, or the owner of the property on which the egg was laid?)

[Pilot]

&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp It is unusual that nobody on these forums has digital cable...


&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp Anyway, what I did not mention was that the Abe's Exoddus intro, which was originally going to include the moon paw print being created: was originally going to be a "glimpse into the past." Flawless to me. In my opinion, nobody here is in a position to argue when the facts are given as plain as day, right here... by Lorne himself.

[TheKhanzumer]

So the moon wasn't created after Abe's escape? The moon creation sequence was a flashback to when the moon was first created, a long time ago. That would work fine with the old history if the moon was created by a meteor shower a long time ago and then was shown in a flashback.

Or did I misenterpet what was ment by "a glimpse in the past".

[Oddsville]

This just keeps getting more and more messed up. If the moon was created 'in the past' like the Khanzumerz belives then everything would be cleared up. So was it created in the past, or when Abe escaped from Rupture Farms? Tell me!!!!

[sligster]

Okay, this whole topic is starting to confuse me!!! *Goes brain-dead from thinking too hard*



P.S. I have digital cable!