Lets amputate

Kaimana · #1 07-07-2002, 09:55 PM

Man is the industrial world screwed. I spent all yesterday thinking as to how messed up and greedy the industrilist really are. those rich glucks was on my mind esspecially. Now i here that the true evil will be shown in the later games, so now here i am thinking if that is so does this mean the Glucks are going to end up being heroes?

I mean if you think about it they are getting screwed back and forth (that wasnt meant to be a sick gester you pervert). Anyway wont there come a point were they will give up? or see the light as some would say? And the Vykkers, there in there own world (of science that is) now as far as businesses partners and compeditors whos going to lose the fight. Are the Glukkons going to go back to being spiritual or are they to evil to return to good. I think a Great War will settle the fate of Oddworld after all every world has its battles. i know that the future games will explain it all but im just making a thought here.

So just to speculate your conception whats your theory to this subject. Will the industrials be amputated from the arms of Oddworld?

Oddsville · #2 07-07-2002, 10:48 PM

Thats a good question Kaimana, the truth is that in later games we will see the Glukkons as they once where, when they cared. The same goes for the Sligs. Sience they come from ruthless queens who could careless about them unless they earn them some type of Moola. Lulu is the begining of this, he is kind deep down and not as concided as most other Gluks. After while we will get to peer into the interesting and bizzar past that these to races have forgotten. The Vykkers on the other hand are just plain twisted. But in the end of the Quintology we will find that all of Oddworlds beings, no matter how concided or twisted there minds seem to be, are truly kind and caring.

Kaimana · #3 07-07-2002, 10:55 PM

OK thank you very much Oddsville. So the villians we see now will all eventually find that they are good. so what is missing? the evil. As we know all stories have the good and the evil they are always together because without one the other would not be. So to further speculate who do you think will be the Evil?

Oddsville · #4 07-07-2002, 11:00 PM

Well, we may not see every Industrialists good side, just some. I know that we will see the Gluks and Sligs. The Queens are the ones who are mainly evil. We probably won't see the good side in them, but what I was trying to say was that all Industrialists have there own good side but some we may never see.

Kaimana · #5 07-07-2002, 11:03 PM

Ah yes im sorry i slightly misunderstood. Ok yes i agree that the gueens will end up the evils of Oddworld not all but most. the Vykkers acording to me are just screwed, but i do see a more peaceful future with the Glucks and sligs. Correct me if im wrong but was it said that one of the heoroes will be a Queen?

Oddsville · #6 07-07-2002, 11:11 PM

Well thats what Max said at least, he may or may not be right. My guess is that he's right.

Kaimana · #7 07-07-2002, 11:17 PM

yes i believe that Max is right to. But what Queen?

TheKhanzumer · #8 07-08-2002, 12:54 AM

I have mentioned this before but I want the rumored queen hero to be the khanzumer queen. I think it would make since. My idea is that somehow, Abe and the other four heroes will convince the khanzumer queen that what the Magog Cartel, Vykkers Conglomerate and any other industrial creatures are doing is wrong. The queen would then threaten to stop having babies and boycott glukkon goods until the corporate leaders change their ways. The quintology would end with a "peaceful" aliance of all species because if they aren't nice to each other, everyone will get screwed by the khanzumerz. After all, the khanzumerz are the most valuable creatures on oddworld.

As for the whole evil thing. Everyone is evil, everyone thinks they are doung what is right. It is really a very personal matter. In my opinion the Vykkers are truley evil because they enjoy causing pain for no reason, even though they themselves have low pain tolerance.

Kaimana · #9 07-08-2002, 01:15 AM

I like your theory Khanzumer very good. perhaps that may be true. but my question is still un answered. and no one has said im wrong about this like is said i read that the true evil will be revealed in the later games. So what is this evil?

***Xavier*** · #10 07-08-2002, 04:11 AM

Well... keep in mind that only the queens run everything on Oddworld.
they are the true evil/good.
her "kids" only do what the queen ask them to do

Kaimana · #11 07-08-2002, 04:14 AM

Yes that is true the queens will do the ordering around but what if ther kids go against them?

***Xavier*** · #12 07-08-2002, 04:17 AM

do you want to go against your own mother? the person who gave you life?
no no no.

maybe they can stop work and try to explain, but queens are sometimes powerful

Kaimana · #13 07-08-2002, 04:21 AM

What i was trying to say was what if they saw that there Quenn was doing the wrong thing and that she was going against everything that there culture before them thought of as right. What if they realized that they were doing wrong. i speak for some of the industrials defenitely not the Vykkers.

***Xavier*** · #14 07-08-2002, 04:29 AM

well, do you think it's possible?
I mean refuse everything you learn, everything you lived before.
Say NO in just because you realise you are wrong?

Plus industrials don't think they are wrong, they believe only in one thing: Moolah

Kaimana · #15 07-08-2002, 04:33 AM

But Xavier we no that the Glukkons for one will not be the evil in oddworld so that means they can ethier be Nuetral (wich i dought) or they can be good and find that there craze for Moolah is pointless i mean look at lulu before he was a Glockstar. I am not saying every spiecie will be that way.

***Xavier*** · #16 07-08-2002, 04:39 AM

well... I still don't think so.
Lulu is knowed to be the stupidiest glukkon ever. so he maybe not care, but will not care about changing either.
lulu is not a good exemple.

ask to tex if ha want to relelate? I don't think he will agree

Kaimana · #17 07-08-2002, 04:42 AM

I still think there will be a change as i come to understand that the Gluck are not the true evil of Oddworld. im sorry Xavier but thats what i feel.
if you read Oddsviles post below my first one you will see why i think this way. i agree with Oddsville Xavier.

***Xavier*** · #18 07-08-2002, 04:48 AM

I understand what you mean.
I don't think they are the true evil either, they just have a way to think who degrade other creatures.

there are no bad guys, only guys with ideas

Kaimana · #19 07-08-2002, 04:50 AM

Yes i agree with you that all of Oddworlds creatures are good inside they just have forgotten like most people do . I think that something big will happen that will make all the creatures see the truth and come together in peace

***Xavier*** · #20 07-08-2002, 04:56 AM

well personaly I think it will be good to se the final solution at the end of the quintology and so a happy end.

but it can be better if they don't give us the final solution that we have to find it, guess it

Kaimana · #21 07-08-2002, 04:59 AM

yes i would like that to. it would seem more interesting if they left it like that in the end instead of showing it just plain and direct. it would keep you guessing. But if you ask me i dont want it to end.

***Xavier*** · #22 07-08-2002, 05:05 AM

the quintology will end...
but Oddworld wouldn't stop making games after the quintology
I realy want to see the end of the quintology

Sal the Mudokon · #23 07-08-2002, 09:09 AM

Wouldn't it be interesting if in the end, a group of Mudokons became evil. During the Crusades, the English went to the Middle East to "culturally clense" the Muslims. What ended up happening was the Europeans gave up... but came back home with the ideas which would soon help bring the continent out of the dark ages and into the Rennaisance that would spawn democracy and our way of life. Now, the Muslims from the same lands are against this. As a result, American troops, though in war, have left food in their country (look, if you don't know this part of the story, get you head out of your ass) and helped liberate them. It's like we've come full circle.
What I'm trying to get at is a modern example of how cultures rub off on each other as enemies and as friends. What if the Mudokons, after reaching the big city, got into the Industrialist way of life. Hell, they were into the brew and lavy ****s after only five minutes, image what would happen if a bunch of Muds were set free in a glukkon city. We already see the Mudokons and Gabbits having their own vendos (which is STILL one of the biggest holes in the plot). Meanwhile, the Vykkers airships have wells... mimics of the ones the Native mudokons use for transportation... It is called ODDworld and ODDER things have happened in our world.

Just something to think about.

molluck2 · #24 07-08-2002, 10:56 AM

well i don't think that glukkons will be good!do ya know why?
this is an old story(why glukks became bad(my theory)):long ago glukkons and mudokons were pals.but mudokons started telling glukks that their race is the chosen one because there was a mudokon handprint on the moon.but glukkons wanted to show that they are the chosen ones.they locked themselves in cold,dark buildings,started making profit and slaving mudokons,that way they wanted to show that they are the chosen ones not mudokons.
that's why i think they won't become good,they didn't show that they're chosen ones,but i could be wrong!

Steve · #25 07-08-2002, 01:27 PM

I believe that rather than industrialist becoming "good" the mudokans will go "bad" and the end of the quintoligy will end in open war.

molluck2 · #26 07-08-2002, 01:36 PM

yeah i think so too!!!!!!!

Oddsville · #27 07-08-2002, 02:31 PM

We will also get to see the bad side of the Mudokons in the furture by looking into thier past. But what we will see exactly is still a mystery to me.

***Xavier*** · #28 07-08-2002, 03:09 PM

yeah I know mudokon exploited some races too, now they are the exploited ones.

there are also consumers muds. which aren't necceceraly good

Mac the Janitor · #29 07-08-2002, 03:23 PM

I would like to see a Mudokon tribe be brainwashed from a company that says they are doing good deeds to Oddworld, but it's all a scam. I like that kind of stuff.

***Xavier*** · #30 07-08-2002, 03:38 PM

some manipulated mudokons, yeah it could be very freaky and nice.
I like that idea