The Evolution of the Glukkons.

Kaimana · #1 07-12-2002, 05:23 PM

Hi everyone.

Ok for the last past week all i have been thinking about are those smoke smelling Glukkons. so i thought i would make this thread that will discuss everything about the Glukkons. What i mean is i want to study there evolution, understand the motive and history of the Magog Cartel, Learn more about the true Industrialist, Mullock and so on, and study there history. So go ahead and put in your theories, and express your ideas and feelings.

One, Two, Middlesboogie · #2 07-12-2002, 05:37 PM

Evolution in the truest sense of the word is the gradual change of a species's anatomy in order to suit its environment, determined by natural selection and often resulting in the creation of a new species.

Since Glukkons were obviously designed with Earthly squids and cuttlefish in mind, I think Glukkons and the other octigians evolved from water creatures. I think the Glukkons' ears must've originally been propulsion siphons like Earthly octopi... rather in the same way as our inner ear bones evolved from reptilian jaw hinges.

Although, your post seemed to be more about history rather than biology. The Magog Cartel was originally created with good intentions; to provide jobs for the Mudokons. But it went further and further downhill for some reason, and the Glukkons becae nastier and nastier, and their reputation went out the window as well.

Kaimana · #3 07-12-2002, 06:14 PM

Yes i agree with you about the evolution, but dont get me wrong, be free to speak about Glukkon biology. So with the Magog Cartell established with good intentions, what exactly change the motive? And at what point were the Glukkons falling to become what they are now. How old is the Cartell?

One, Two, Middlesboogie · #4 07-12-2002, 06:22 PM

We don't know how old the Cartel is, but the Glukkons and Mudokons supposedly were allies so long ago that none of their written records state it. So it may be thousands of years old. We don't know what exactly started the downhill slump, though.
Maybe the Glukkons discovered that they could skimp on the pay a little without the Muds noticing, and then when they did notice they were too polite to complain or assumed it was only temporary, or something. And it got out of hand from there on.

Kaimana · #5 07-12-2002, 06:28 PM

So in time do you believe that the Glukkons might have wanted to be in complete controll that way they could get business done faster. I mean this is a very scepticle question because we know so little. But i really cant think why they would do that. Could it have been that the Mudokons wanted to get payed for there jobs? and perhaps the Glukkons did not like that. Ultimatley i would call it greed that change the motives.

Iantiger · #6 07-12-2002, 06:33 PM

Glukkons and mudokons allies?! That's quite unimaginable, however, I read it somewhere too.

Kaimana · #7 07-12-2002, 07:01 PM

We come to understand at one time Glukkons and Mudokons were peaceful friends. The question is what caused the split up?

***Wil*** · #8 07-12-2002, 07:22 PM

The split up between the Mudokons and the Glukkons was over Abe's Moon, which at the time was considered an oracle by the Mudokons signifying that they were the 'Chosen Ones'. The Glukkons didn't like this, and after a bit of meddling about with alchemy, banned religion in Mudos and set up the Magog Cartel. You can find a more fulfilling explanation at Ask Max.

As for why the Glukkons kept dropping down the rungs of the etiquate ladder, my best guess would be that they got caught up in Oddworld's existing Industrial races, and were forced to create more competion by sheer peer pressure. Either that or their industrialism was the catalyst for the other industrial races entering their own industrial eras, and the Glukkons wanted to stay on top of them all.

Or it could be the Khanzumerz, who are truely evil, that wanted more and more products, and the need for efficiency meant Glukkons slowly forgot their good will.

And as for how Glukkons evolved, their design is based on an ostrich as well as an octopus, so this leads me to believe they evolved from some sort of wading mollusc, like a wader but more, well, molluscular.

Kaimana · #9 07-12-2002, 07:37 PM

Very interesting Max, so now that that is taken care of. Mullock the head CEO of Rupture farms and the SoulStorm Brewery. What exactly happened to him? where to suspect he is? What is the price on his head? and does he know of what will come of him?

***Wil*** · #10 07-12-2002, 07:52 PM

Molluck was CEO (Chief Executive Officer, no 'head' needed) of RuptureFarms 1029 and Boss in Absentia of SoulStorm Brewery 401. He is also the representative of the Magog Cartel, which is why there's such a hiatus about his death. He was doubtlessly in charge of other companies.

Having faked his own death in order to avoid a run in with the Chroniclers, Molluck won't be making any intentional appearances anytime soon. But he's still out there, somewhere.

If he is found by Maggie, however, he'll be court martialled/marshalled (which?) either by the Chroniclers, or if Maggie or some loser Glukkon has already taken the blame, by Margaret. And then he'll be shot. Dead.

Kaimana · #11 07-12-2002, 08:10 PM

Mullock faked his death? interesting. So he dissapeared from rupture farms to not have a run in with the higher powers about the accident? What intentions would he have in the future? Would it be possible that he has connections with other continents and may venture there to seek fortune and power? Thus putting up a shield against the Queen

TheKhanzumer · #12 07-12-2002, 10:14 PM

Sure Max, blame everything on us khanzumerz.

I have an interesting theory about glukkon evolution much different than most others. Firstly many people think that since glukkons originated in swamps they must have at one time been more like their octopus-looking relatives. I beg to differ. Another popular theory is that they were plains dwellers who ran fast on their long arms. Not plausible since they lived in swamps.

My theory is that glukkons were once like herons or storks. Mudokons evolved from birds why not glukkons? Yes it is hard to imagine gloktigi and 0.1 having bird backgrounds but it is possible. The glukkons would stand still in the swamps on their tall legs. When an unsuspecting creature swam by they would quickly reach out and grab their prey with their small legs. To me at least, this theory makes a remarkable amount of sense but for some reason not many others seemed to agree with me last time I told it.

Danny · #13 07-12-2002, 10:36 PM

Khanz, it is official OWI information that Glukkons evolved from squid-like creatures. Sorry.

I do believe that Native Glukks were plains dwellers, however. Just as Mudokons evolved from Birds, but native mudokons are not airborne, so Glukkons evolved from octopi, but native glukks are terrestrial. Just my theory, though.

As for why they turned bad, I agree that it was the Khanzumerz. As I explained in a different topic, Khanzumerz are the closest thing to pure evil on Oddworld (present company excepted, of course

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Al the Vykker · #14 07-13-2002, 12:12 AM

Ah..... Cocerning Molluck yes if I remember my topic here correctly Pilot informed me that Molluck is alive and well, but we all must be very patient for his return. He found out more but cannot say because he signed an official confidentiallity document with OI.

So what we know is that Molluck is alive,

My theory is he is most likely scared from the lightning. And has an unquenched thirst for revenge. This could possibly be that Molluck will be in the final game, and will have changed or possibly evolved from years before, seing Molluck completely different from before. Probably searching for Abe until he atlast finds him, and wants hime dead. So we might see a new form of Glukkons with him which brings me too, look at this Octigi Family Chart, it shows the different species of Glukkons that might show up in later games or we might find out about.

That is my theory.

Kaimana · #15 07-13-2002, 01:32 AM

With mullock live and well we can only expect the worse. like i said perhaps he has other connections that are not affiliated with the queen. this may lead to Mullock attempting to rise up in power without Mudos even knowing.

Stripe · #16 07-13-2002, 02:02 AM

If the Mudokons have "ancient ruins", then where are the ancient ruins built by early Glukkons? If they are octopoidal (?) would that mean that their ruins would be underwater? Would be neat to find an ancient dry inland sea and find Glukkon ruins that way!
(wonder if sligs would of had some way of recording their history? another subject for another thread)
Anyway,
They are definately built for running and they look like they'd have a very tough hide to boot, but because of their sensitive eyes, they would of been night hunters right? (or dusk/dawn hunters) CAN they use their "hands" to do stuff like writing or would they use their vegital feet for such stuff?
And why would they give up comfort for those tight, restricting suits and shoes?! Their walking is hampered by "style".
Does this mean that, poorer Glukkons wear looser clothes that permit the long strides?
Hmmmm....would make an interesting story subject.....(!)

Jacob · #17 07-13-2002, 02:09 AM

Basically Mullock joins the Glukkon mafia and slowly works his way upto the top, until finally, he is the 'Godfather' of the Gluks. You see this happening in later games, its more paper reading though. After doing all of this Mullock then takes out Maggie and then starts building up his buissness again, awaiting for Abe to come and try his luck so him and his new found friends can show Abe who truly is the powerfullest.

I apologise for spoiling the end for you.

Kaimana · #18 07-13-2002, 02:09 AM

Well we know that Glukkons evolved from the Octigi family but it does not suggest that they lived in the sea or built ruins there. As for hunting we can not directly consider them nocturnal because only recently in oddworlds history did the Glucks confine themselves in darkness thus given them sensitive eyes. They do were their suite for showing power and authority (power suggesting moolah) so yes the lesser glucks did have less, how should i say , straight jacket suites, you can see this in lulus concept art.

Kaimana · #19 07-13-2002, 02:21 AM

Forgive me for double posting but click here and you can see how less...well great a suit if thats what you will call it looks liek for a Pud

***Wil*** · #20 07-13-2002, 08:02 AM

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I have an interesting theory about glukkon evolution much different than most others. My theory is that glukkons were once like herons or storks.

Sounds an aweful lot like:

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...this leads me to believe they evolved from some sort of wading mollusc, like a wader but more, well, molluscular.

I was going to suggest Glukkons evolved from birds like the Mudokons, but I really didn't think these proto-Gluks would be the kind of birds to have feathers and bills... Oh well.

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Basically Mullock joins the Glukkon mafia and slowly works his way upto the top, until finally, he is the 'Godfather' of the Gluks. You see this happening in later games, its more paper reading though. After doing all of this Mullock then takes out Maggie and then starts building up his buissness again, awaiting for Abe to come and try his luck so him and his new found friends can show Abe who truly is the powerfullest.

That's the best theory/rumour/whatever I've ever heard about how the Quintology pans out in the future. I can't wait...

Kaimana · #21 07-13-2002, 03:25 PM

Mullock like i also suggested most likly will rise to power

TheKhanzumer · #22 07-13-2002, 03:36 PM

It is true that glukkons evolved from an octopus-like creature but that dosn't mean that that creature wasn't also slightly birdlike. Don't some giant squid have beaks? That would be a start. Then give the creature some feathery down on its "head". Evolution would eventually remove the feathers (useless in water) and become more octopus than bird. This would be the case for the majority of the octigi family. The glukkons would have gone a slighty different rought, becoming more bird-like (the heron-gluck) and then more like their octopus relaives.

I like my theory. Shame I can't convince anyone it could work.

Oddsville · #23 07-13-2002, 03:42 PM

I think that the Gluks anatomy hasn't changed too much, just imagine a Glukkon underwater, his arms kinda like tentacles. If the point their earlobe thingies strait down at their feet and then suck in water from the opening behind thier earlobe thingie they could easily move just like a Squid. Do you see what Im saying?

Kaimana · #24 07-13-2002, 03:53 PM

yes Oddsville i agree with you, i too think that gluckons can be right at home in the water,but i dont thinkit would be possible anymore, with there eyes not very aquatic and sensitive to light

***Xavier*** · #25 07-13-2002, 04:03 PM

I dunno if someone allready mentioned this

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The Glukkons and Sligs came from the swamps. The Glukkons descended from octopus-like creatures while Sligs descended from a slug-like species.

Kaimana · #26 07-13-2002, 04:20 PM

Yes that is most likley the case i just cant see a mullosk evolve from birds. in biology that is impossible.

***Xavier*** · #27 07-13-2002, 04:24 PM

it was in the history of oddworld on Xbox.com

Kaimana · #28 07-13-2002, 04:27 PM

wait hold on, Glucks evolved from Birds? when it says in your post Xavier that they evolved from octopi like creatures?

***Wil*** · #29 07-13-2002, 04:31 PM

In physics, teleportation is impossible. Luckily for us, this is Oddworld, and the laws of their universe are not the same as ours.

You also have to remember that Oddworld doesn't use the same classification of animals that we use. While we catagorise Earth vertabrates as being either fish, amphibean, reptile, bird of mammal, Oddworld doesn't. Mudokons would appear reptile in all respects, except they're not cold blooded.

Similarly, 'bird' on Oddworld has to be used rather vaguely, unless you're talking about Birds, which are a species by themselves. I said earlier that I imagined pre-Glukkons at some point would have been bird/mollusc type things (but Khan still was convinced he was on his own), and I still hold that belief. They're half ostrich, and while I expect in their later stages of life (in the centuries before the Mudokon/Glukkon conflict) they were excellent runners, just like ostriches, I still recognise that going much further back into history you end up with octopus-like molluscs that lived in the swamps.

TheKhanzumer · #30 07-13-2002, 04:33 PM

Not birds... birdlike creatures. Picture an octopus with a large beak and some feathers. Basically my idea. This creature would then spawn the gloktigi and 0.1 (more octopus like) and the glukkon and 0.2 (more birdlike... or at least more so than the other two).

But that was not really my point. My point was that the glukkons would be heron like in their behavior and general appearance. The long arms would be the herons legs, the small feet would act as the herons beak while hunting.