Should priest's have sex?

Surfacing · #1 04-09-2002, 11:35 AM

Firsty why can't Priest's have sex in the first place? I mean arn't one of the steps of creating a baby, involve having sex? And all Priest's were once in there lives baby's, were they not? So why does a religion restrict them from having sex? Is it a sin, to reproduce? Is it such a sin to start a family? Or do priest's have to ask god by special request to have a night of fun with their wifes?

Please Explain.

Sydney · #2 04-09-2002, 11:51 AM

It's admirable that someone can abstain from some of life's pleasures purely out of devotion. If they wish to be celibate, I have no place judging them.

On the other hand, some suggest that a priest's celibacy is a result in the apparent high number of child molestations in that occupation.

Doug · #3 04-09-2002, 12:56 PM

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Originally posted by Surfacing
Or do priest's have to ask god by special request to have a night of fun with their wifes?

Priests that are required to be celibate do not marry. Celibacy in the priesthood is an aspect of the Catholic faith, and possibly Orthodox, but I am fairly ignorant about that religion.

Protestant ministers are allowed to marry and are not required to be celibate. I believe that is also true of Jewish rabbis.

I don't know the religious basis for celibacy in the priesthood. I have heard than nuns are celibate because they are considered to be married to Christ. I think they might even wear wedding bands.

I personally feel that required celibacy is an anachronism that should be done away with as a policy. As Sydney says, if one out of personal devotion or philosophy chooses to be celibate, who is to judge? But, to make it a requirement is asking too much of a human being. It is clear from the news that far too many priests are finding it impossible to remain celibate, and are using an inappropriate outlet for their desires.

Surfacing, your latest avatar was pretty creepy to begin with, but the flashing is just plain annoying.

Danny · #4 04-09-2002, 06:50 PM

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Originally posted by Doug
I think they might even wear wedding bands.

Which are?

In answer to the topic title: Whyever not?

Doug · #5 04-09-2002, 06:55 PM

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Originally posted by Danny
Which are?

You mean "wedding band"? It's another word for wedding ring -- I didn't think it was an Americanism.

Statikk HDM · #6 04-09-2002, 07:08 PM

I see celibacy as a contrived, non bible based teaching that is being rammed down priest's throats by the AntiChrist, The Pope. contrary to popular belief bill gates isn't the antichrist, he's just a backstabbing bastard, like m ost company head honchos. Their is no passage in scripture supporting or renouncing celibacy when it pertains to marriage, and their is not one scripture demanding celibacy as a vow. It is also foolish to take such a hard to keep vow. In fact, it was a sin when Herod made a rash vow concerning a naughty little dance at one of his birthday parties(He vows to give a dancer anything she wants and she asks for the head of John the Baptist. Let your yes be yes and your no be no, vows are foolish except in the most special of circumstances. If you want to make a vow that you can keep vow this" I will not bite off my nose."

Gluk Schmuck · #7 04-09-2002, 07:09 PM

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Originally posted by Doug
1. I personally feel that required celibacy is an anachronism that should be done away with as a policy. As Sydney says, if one out of personal devotion or philosophy chooses to be celibate, who is to judge? But, to make it a requirement is asking too much of a human being.

2. It is clear from the news that far too many priests are finding it impossible to remain celibate, and are using an inappropriate outlet for their desires.

1. If they choose to be a preist, they have to be celebate. If they choose to be a Christian, they can't have sex outside of marriage. If they choose to invest all their money into pumpkins in October and don't sell till December, they'll be broke.

2. Yeah. I wonder if the Bible condems paedophilea or if they just shrug it off and say it isn't relevant.

*stops himself from mentioning Lev 20:13*

D'oh!

Edit: You peoples sure do reply fast!

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Originally posted by Statikk HDM
In fact, it was a sin when Herod made a rash vow concerning a naughty little dance at one of his birthday parties(He vows to give a dancer anything she wants and she asks for the head of John the Baptist.

Hehe, we're watching a video about Jesus (no, not the Jesus who worked on Windows 95 and not the Jesus who wrote a maze book. The other one. You know, Jesus of Nazereth) and that was on it. What a coincedence!

Statikk HDM · #8 04-09-2002, 07:14 PM

God takes all abuses of sexuality serious, including pedophilia. By the way, did any of you see that nasty ass health instructer Joycelean elders promote this sicko book that said such out rages things as"Sex is an outlet of creativity for young children" "Sex with a child does not a pedophile make" Sex is o.k., even for the youngest child" among others. Elders is a disgrace, where does she get off?

Danny · #9 04-09-2002, 07:29 PM

Disclaimer: This is copied and pasted from The Onion. Apologies to anyone who has already read it, or just doesn't find it funny (and therefore is a moron)...

Oh, and by the way, before anyone starts, this is NOT serious. I would have thought that was obvious, but you never know on these forums...

The Church Sex Scandal - What do you think?

A growing sex-abuse scandal is engulfing the Catholic Church, with many priests accused of sexually molesting children. What do you think?

Chris Davis, Lawyer - "Where in the Bible does it forbid someone to pin a 10-year-old behind a large cooler of Kool-Aid in a church basement?"

Don Lawson, File Clerk - "Catholic priests are being unfairly singled out as pedophiles. We must not forget the music teachers and hockey coaches."

Phil Ormond, Cab Driver - "This is just secular, liberal-media hysteria over thousands of grade-schoolers getting ass-raped."

Paul George, Accountant - "Hey, if Abraham was willing to kill his son for God, the least a devout Catholic can do is let his kid get cornholed here and there."

Sheila Rutt, Systems Analyst - "Wine, candles, incense, frilly little frocks... you can see how it sets a mood."

Danielle Krug, Speech Therapist - "Now that it's out in the open, the healing can begin. Except for the kids."

Doug · #10 04-09-2002, 07:34 PM

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Originally posted by Gluk Schmuck
1. If they choose to be a preist, they have to be celebate.

2. If they choose to be a Christian, they can't have sex outside of marriage.

3. If they choose to invest all their money into pumpkins in October and don't sell till December, they'll be broke.

1. That's my whole point. They shouldn't "have to" be celibate.

2. Do you have any idea how many millions of Christians are having sex outside of marriage?

3. Uh . . . . mm . . . yeah; what you said!

BiddaMD · #11 04-09-2002, 10:58 PM

As noble as it might seem....it really is near torture for a human not to express sexual feeling. The Christian faith is very revolved around the whole idea that sex is a sin, which is really a ridiculous thing. What do I say? Hells yes. Preists should get down and funky just the like the rest of us...maybe it will enlighten them even more than they already are....hmmp.

Wolfpac · #12 04-10-2002, 02:03 AM

I don't know why priest and Nuns aren’t allowed to have sex. I wonder where in the bible it is written. I know Adultery is a sin, but why can't they get married if they marry people (think about it, that line will make sense). But I'm guessing that child molesting is a sin too since homosexuality is also.

But I know how Priest can go all of their adult life without Sex.
Religious Wine, People. Religious Wine.

Jacob · #13 04-10-2002, 11:56 AM

I thought that post from the Onion was quite amusing. It tickled me.

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Sex is o.k., even for the youngest child

Depends what she means by 'Youngest Child' my family considered me young at the age of 14...which was a bit of a crap really. If she means from the ages 13+ well...ok. Since most kids are hitting puberty early any ways. They are starting to become sexually active at that age and abit younger. I spoke to a girl who had sex at the age of 12...she now has 5 children...she's now 16.

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God takes all abuses of sexuality serious, including pedophilia.

In my game there's a amusing debate about Paedophiles between 'God' and Lucifer.

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2. Do you have any idea how many millions of Christians are having sex outside of marriage?

Not true devout Christians...they'r quite wacky.

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it really is near torture for a human not to express sexual feeling

For a man anyway...women can usually go for lengthy periods of time without sex.

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The Christian faith is very revolved around the whole idea that sex is a sin

No it hasn't. The idea of sex been a sin was never actually said by Jesus himself. But many of his diciples and believers who carried on his work said so. They wrote the bible stating homosexuality is a sin and so on. Jesus did actually say 'Man must do whatever man desires' i saw it on that thing that also stated Christianity started off S&M. It was a proper documentry aswell...

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Danielle Krug, Speech Therapist - "Now that it's out in the open, the healing can begin. Except for the kids."

That lines the funniest...LOL!!

Gluk Schmuck · #14 04-10-2002, 01:19 PM

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Originally posted by Wolfpac
But I'm guessing that child molesting is a sin too since homosexuality is also.

You seem to be inferring that there is a link between paedophilia and homosexuality.

Jacob · #15 04-10-2002, 03:56 PM

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You seem to be inferring that there is a link between paedophilia and homosexuality.

I thought she/he was saying that Homosexuality is worse and thus since thats a sin so will Paedo.

Fazerina · #16 04-10-2002, 05:26 PM

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Originally posted by Jacob

For a man anyway...women can usually go for lengthy periods of time without sex.

How would you know, since you're not a woman?

Jacob · #17 04-10-2002, 06:40 PM

I'm a Lesbian trapped in a lads body. Nahh, its known fact. Thats why women are the powerfuller sex. Also, its cos all of my friends are lass' (Real life ne way)

Fazerina · #18 04-10-2002, 06:45 PM

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Originally posted by Jacob
Nahh, its known fact.

Oh well, guess I'm always in the minority of people...

Sydney · #19 04-10-2002, 10:56 PM

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Originally posted by Jacob
I thought she/he was saying that Homosexuality is worse and thus since thats a sin so will Paedo.

Interestingly, the bible says nothing in regards to paedophilia. It's odd how the "ultimate book of morality" has no stand on one of the most abusive forms of human behaviour.

Jacob · #20 04-11-2002, 09:12 AM

Personally i think the bible is a disgrace, not only was it not wrote by Jesus or God but its actually taken seriously. Also, many believe that Jesus or God did write it and thus defend it saying 'Its true, the 'Creator' / 'Creators son' said so' when they didn't at all. The Diciples wrote it and added what they wanted in it. Also, i have the 'New Testament and Psalms' so could somebody tell me were Leviticous is...and wot Gluk Shmuck was referring to when he said Lev: 20:13. Thx.

Gluk Schmuck · #21 04-11-2002, 01:00 PM

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Originally posted by Jacob
1. Personally i think the bible is a disgrace, not only was it not wrote by Jesus or God but its actually taken seriously. Also, many believe that Jesus or God did write it and thus defend it saying 'Its true, the 'Creator' / 'Creators son' said so' when they didn't at all. The Diciples wrote it and added what they wanted in it.

2. Also, i have the 'New Testament and Psalms' so could somebody tell me were Leviticous is...and wot Gluk Shmuck was referring to when he said Lev: 20:13. Thx.

1. I'm sort of amused by the way so many people belive that Jesus of Nazerath or God wrote it. The idiots

2. Leviticus is in the old testement. Here's a link to some information about Lev 20:13 and how it was selected from lots of verses which are 'not relevant today'.
http://www.fallwell.com/verses.html

Statikk HDM · #22 04-11-2002, 06:31 PM

The Mosaic orders you quoted are no longer used. BUT, the condemnation is very current and said most forcefully in Romans. Tell me Romans Two is not a plain condemnation of homosexuality, and I will KNOW you are a liar.

Jacob · #23 04-11-2002, 07:19 PM

What does it say?

Gluk Schmuck · #24 04-11-2002, 07:34 PM

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Originally posted by Statikk HDM
Tell me Romans Two is not a plain condemnation of homosexuality, and I will KNOW you are a liar.

I don't doubt you when you tell me the Bible condemns completely reasonable things multiple times.

I'll see if I can find a Bible...

Edit: I see no mention of homosexuality in Romans 2. Give me the verse, please.

Edit two: I just read Chris's post. For everyone that doesn't have a Bible,
http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Rom/Rom002.html

Statikk HDM · #25 04-11-2002, 08:12 PM

Sorry, Gluk, I meant chapter one. O f particular note are verses 18 to 23, a condemnation of polytheism and animal worship, and 26 to thirty two, which are about improper relations

Gluk Schmuck · #26 04-11-2002, 08:31 PM

Yeah, it seems a little anti-everything. Strange Bible.

I can't belive the Bible isn't burnt more often...

Danny · #27 04-11-2002, 09:19 PM

Hang on a minute here...

All Nuns are meant to be married to Christ, yeah? Now someone explain to me how this could possibly be construed as anything other than an endorsement of Polygamy...

Statikk HDM · #28 04-11-2002, 10:33 PM

all nuns married to Christ? how the hell do the catholics think of this shit. ain't in the bible. and once again, I would like to tell you here that the pope is the antichrist. Yep, popedome is a vehicule for bringing the church down As my theological main squeeze Martin Luther once said "Do not fear the pagan, for they do not know the scriptures. Fear the apostate." The long and short of it is that the pope is an apostate, his office is an "inside job" To install CARC into the world.

Jacob · #29 04-12-2002, 05:44 PM

The Pope is not the Anti-Christ!! I am...t'is proven fact. The Pope is just the Pope...hmmmm...i wonder how he became Pope? And all Nuns married to Christ!? Wow...Christ must be a bit of a Slag then!!

Sydney · #30 04-13-2002, 12:23 AM

Married to Christ doesn't literally mean marriage as it would for two regular people. It's just a way of saying they abstain from worldly marriage in an effort to show their devotion to Christ.

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Originally posted by Statikk HDM
all nuns married to Christ? how the hell do the catholics think of this shit. ain't in the bible. and once again, I would like to tell you here that the pope is the antichrist.

Will you wear those words when you're judged? I'm sick and tired of protestants knocking Catholics. Whether it be accusations of Mary'n'Saint-worship to criticism of the way Catholics make confession, the self-righteous finger-pointing gets tiresome. At least Catholic confession requires some sense of responsibility, whereas protestants merely sin, sin, sin and never face the responsibility of speaking to another person about it. Catholic confession is symbolic, no where in Catholicism is there a rule that says without confessing to a priest, your sins will not be washed away.

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As my theological main squeeze Martin Luther once said "Do not fear the pagan, for they do not know the scriptures. Fear the apostate."

Martin Luther also condoned the killing of jews. What a great man. Let's look at some quotes from your theological main sqeeze, shall we?

"This fool [Copernicus] wishes to reverse the entire science of astronomy; but sacred scripture tells us that Joshua commanded the sun to stand still, and not the earth."

"We are at fault for not slaying them [the Jews]."

"God does not work salvation for fictitious sinners. Be a sinner and sin vigorously. Do not for a moment imagine that this life is the abiding place of justice; sin must be committed."

"I maintain that some Jew wrote it [the Book of James] who probably heard about Christian people but never encountered any."

"In many countries there are particular places to which devils more especially resort. In Prussia there is an infinite number of evil spirits."

"To be a Christian, you must pluck out the eye of reason."

"What shall we do with the Jews? Set fire to their synagogues or schools and bury and cover with dirt whatever will not burn, so that no man will ever again see a stone or cinder of them."