Capitalism /Communism

Surfacing · #1 03-18-2002, 12:45 AM

Well which government do you support, capitalism, or communism, i support capitalism ( i think this is gonna shock Gluck Shmuck) Because i believe in people working hard for there money. Does anyone think that Vietnam should be a communist nation? Discuss.

Joe the Intern · #2 03-18-2002, 12:57 AM

I believe in real communism. In real communism you also work for your money. But you get paid according to how much work you do. Look at Bill Gates. Did he work hard to get his money?

Statikk HDM · #3 03-18-2002, 06:43 PM

No, actually he just ****ed Steve Jobs and his cohorts! Anywho, I have never really understood how communism works, or what its pros and cons are. Could someone explain so I am not just shooting in the dark?

Gluk Schmuck · #4 03-19-2002, 12:32 PM

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Originally posted by Surfacing
i support capitalism ( i think this is gonna shock Gluck Shmuck)

Wow... Very shocking...

Mesa be a commie!

Billy G worked a lot harder than some people did to get onto the rich-list.

paramiteabe · #5 03-19-2002, 06:42 PM

Dude, Capitalsim all the way. I just have to say one thing, I am proud to be an American. Mann if there was Communism in America, then there won't be great things that my country has to offer. If it wasant for Capitalsim we would not be here right now. We would probally be working like slaves in order to survive. I don't care what other people say how Communism is the perfect way to run a country.It doesant work. If there was no Capitalism there wouldent be any OWI, eek no Oddworld! Or any company for that matter. It would all be runned by the government. HORREY FOR CAPITALISM!, HORREY FOR FREEDOM AND MOST IMPORTANT HORREY TO BE AN AMERICAN!

SeaRex · #6 03-19-2002, 07:01 PM

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Originally posted by paramiteabe
HORREY FOR CAPITALISM!, HORREY FOR FREEDOM AND MOST IMPORTANT HORREY TO BE AN AMERICAN!

Hurray for anarchy...

Gluk Schmuck · #7 03-19-2002, 07:03 PM

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Originally posted by paramiteabe
1. Mann if there was Communism in America, then there won't be great things that my country has to offer.
2. If it wasant for Capitalsim we would not be here right now.
3. We would probally be working like slaves in order to survive.
4. It doesant work.
5. If there was no Capitalism there wouldent be any OWI, eek no Oddworld! Or any company for that matter.
6. It would all be runned by the government.
7. HORREY FOR CAPITALISM!, HORREY FOR FREEDOM AND MOST IMPORTANT HORREY TO BE AN AMERICAN!

1. Like...?
2. Are you sure? Explain why, please
3. Incorrect
4. Have you ever tried it?
5. Incorrect, there would be companies but OWI may not have as many injustices to base their games on than they do now
6. Most types of government, including capitalism, control the whole country (or similar)
7. Why is it very important to be American? That sounds like racism to me

Danny · #8 03-19-2002, 07:08 PM

"The Masses versus the Classes"...

Okay, once again, it is left to me to explain what Communism is, since none of you (except Morgan and Tom) seem to have the slightest clue...

Well, let's start with what Communism is not, shall we?

Communism is NOT treating the Working Classes as Slaves. That is called Capitalism.

Communism is NOT total government control over everything. That is called Totalitarianism.

Communism is NOT giving everything to the leader. That is called Stalinism.

Communism is NOT paying the same amount of money for every job. There is no name for this, because it's just stupid.

What Communism is is the only fair Economic System possible. Communism has many levels of intensity, but at its ideal level, Communism treats everyone as equals. Under Communism, everyone is born equal. Whereas Capitalism is set up to make the Rich Richer and the Poor Poorer, Communism is set up so that people get exactly what they deserve. There is no Inherited Wealth, so you have to earn money if you want it. There is no Interest, as that just serves to take money away from the Poor and give it to the Rich. There is no Class System, as they simply serve to divide people into Rich and Poor the moment they are born. The Government controls prices, so that Businessmen are unable to charge extortionate prices for goods as soon as they are scarce.

The USSR was NOT Communist. True Communism cannot exist without Democracy, just as True Democracy cannot exist without Communism. The two are two sides of the same coin, that coin being Equality.

I support the Millions, not the Millionaires.

paramiteabe · #9 03-19-2002, 07:35 PM

Gluck Schmuck I am not racist at all, I think everyone has equel rights. Now maybe I never lived through Communism but I have seen what it can do. Im not saying that all Communism is bad. Look at Irac and Iran. Thats the example of the type of Communism I am talking about. Look at the conditions of those countries. You have to admit Suddom Husan does not treat his people so good. He kills them when they break the law he is just as bad as Hitler. That is un just and it's not real Communism. I am saying Communism that is un just, is evil. It gives you a bad name and thats not right. So if I have offended you I am truely sorry.

Danny · #10 03-19-2002, 07:39 PM

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Originally posted by paramiteabe
Gluck Schmuck I am not racist at all, I think everyone has equel rights.

You really think so? *coughs*Naive*coughs*

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Now maybe I never lived through Communism but I have seen what it can do.

No you haven't. True Communism has never even been attempted.

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Im not saying that all Communism is bad. Look at Irac and Iran. Thats the example of the type of Communism I am talking about. Look at the conditions of those countries. You have to admit Suddom Husan does not treat his people so good. He kills them when they break the law he is just as bad as Hitler.

Could you inform me when Iraq and Iran were ever Communist? I must have missed those particular revolutions...

Joe the Intern · #11 03-19-2002, 08:02 PM

I'd say something relevant, but Dan summed up my entire argument... Damn you Dan!

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Hurray for anarchy...

Yes, hurray for anarchy!

Statikk HDM · #12 03-19-2002, 09:22 PM

So, communism works right guys? I mean, no one has rifghts in commie nations, or so I heard. and aren't they all murderous powertrippers? Case in point. Communist china killed 65 million people. Russia is poor and in shambles. Last time I checked, the U.S. dollar and the brit money wasn't so shitty people burned it for heat like in russia! So, where did communism work, cause I sure no where it has failed a lot and ****ed the "masses", the people it claims to help, royally. Feel free to kill my arguement now, but I think it will live on like the indomitable american spirit(he he he )

Lampion · #13 03-20-2002, 01:05 AM

As Dan is trying to make himself understood, comunism was never achieved before in history (well, probably in the paleolitic age, but that was in pre-History). If you can't understand that, there is no point trying to argue about what comunism can or cannot do to nations. You need to understand what it is, before talking about it.

About you post, Statikk, sorry to point that out, and I'm not trying to picka fight with you, but... you americans' line of sight seem to reach only a few meters beyound the boundaries of the american country. You seem to ignore what's going on the whole world. Why do you think that nearly all the population of Africa lives in sub-human conditions? Why do you think american products are very much cheaper than other countries' products, inside America? Why do you think there is an expression such as "Third World" to name certain group of contries? These only a very few questions you could make yourself to try to understand better what is Capitalism, and what it can do to the world.

In a few words: in capitalism, in order to mantain a minority of very wealthy people, it is necessary to maintain a majority of very poor people. What do you think about this rule?

To end my post: I'd like to say that my ideal society would be that portrayed in the Star Trek series, where there is no money, and everybody have access to the same oportunities.

abe22 · #14 03-20-2002, 03:17 AM

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Communism is NOT treating the Working Classes as Slaves. That is called Capitalism.

There is capitalists that do want it like that but that is mostly just communism propagander and the capitalists that want to do that are just arseholes.
I live in a capitalist country. My mum and dad arn't slaves. So Yeah!
I am a capitalist. I think if people can earn and work hard for their money and get rich good for them. Russia and China were the main communism countries but they are failing. Commuism doesn't work in my opinion.

paramiteabe · #15 03-20-2002, 01:36 PM

You can be successful in a Communist Society but you won't take ownership of your product like you would in a Chapitalist society. I know this because everything is provided by the Government. I know this because I took a Civics coarse in my Junior year. You cannot be say the presidant of a factory or a owner of some company in a Communist society. All of it belongs to the Government. Yes there are jobs but they are small. Now I am eather right or my formal Civics teacher was high off weed at the time I learn this Which would make me wrong which would make him a bad teacher. Whats important though is That you are the government in a Chapitalist Society. You want to live in a chapitalist society because that is how you will make money and create your own corrpret Empire. It's kind of like haveing smaller governments in one big Government. You can't do that in a Communist society.

Danny · #16 03-20-2002, 09:18 PM

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Originally posted by abe22
There is capitalists that do want it like that but that is mostly just communism propagander and the capitalists that want to do that are just arseholes.(1)
I live in a capitalist country. My mum and dad arn't slaves. So Yeah!(2)
I am a capitalist. I think if people can earn and work hard for their money and get rich good for them. Russia and China were the main communism countries but they are failing. Commuism doesn't work in my opinion.(3)

1. It's not individual capitalists that want this, but it's the whole Capitalist System that is set up that way.

2. *sigh* I was once young and naive as you... How I wish I could go back to those foolish, innocent, carefree days...

3. Russia and China were never truly Communist. They were just shallow mockeries of Capitalism. The whole idea of Communism is that everything is shared. In the USSR and China, this didn't happen. The Leaders just took everything. Spot the difference...

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Originally posted by paramiteabe:
You can be successful in a Communist Society but you won't take ownership of your product like you would in a Chapitalist society.(1) I know this because everything is provided by the Government. I know this because I took a Civics coarse in my Junior year. You cannot be say the presidant of a factory or a owner of some company in a Communist society.(2) All of it belongs to the Government.(3) Yes there are jobs but they are small. Now I am eather right or my formal Civics teacher was high off weed at the time I learn this Which would make me wrong which would make him a bad teacher.(4) Whats important though is That you are the government in a Chapitalist Society.(5) You want to live in a chapitalist society because that is how you will make money and create your own corrpret Empire. It's kind of like haveing smaller governments in one big Government. You can't do that in a Communist society.(6)

At first I thought maybe "chapitalist" was a typo. But then you did it three times...

1. No, that's not true.

2. Ditto.

3. Ditto.

4. He can't have been that good, if he couldn't even teach you how to spell Capitalism...

5. What the hell...? Okay, I now know that I am dealing with a brainwashed Capitalist... Look around you, poor child... See the world, and tell me that you have any influence over the way you are governed. Really. If you're honest with yourself...

6. Exactly.

abe22 · #17 03-21-2002, 05:09 AM

I'm not going to argue with you Dan because firstly I can't be stuffed having a debate, secondly I hate politics and thirdly I am really pissed off. And if you don't get into one of them politics things where all they do is debate I'll eat my frikken hat!!!
And one more thing please don't call me naive and foolish it hurts my feelings.

Surfacing · #18 03-21-2002, 05:45 AM

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Originally posted by Danny

2. *sigh* I was once young and naive as you... How I wish I could go back to those foolish, innocent, carefree days...

Arh, Dan you still are young, and your Still Naive compared to what you'll be like in 15 yrs from now. And Gluck shmuck no need for sarcaism i was only joking.

Also Doug if you read this, do you support capitalism or communism? I really hope you do support Capitalism cause we need someone that really knows the in's and out's of it, plus i think you can argue quite well againest Danny.

Sydney · #19 03-21-2002, 07:27 AM

I prefer communism. Capatalism results in large areas where people of poor income live, these areas are often breeding grounds for crime and the culturally deficient. Meanwhile, large areas of wealthy people eat caviar and drive good cars, oblivious to the poverty that holds them high.

Statikk HDM · #20 03-21-2002, 09:21 AM

well, communism since it never"truly happened" is just utopian hibberty gibberty flibberty squibertty.

paramiteabe · #21 03-21-2002, 01:46 PM

Why do you think people from Cuba are trying to get in America. To be free from their Communist Government. Cuba is a Communist country.

Gluk Schmuck · #22 03-21-2002, 06:25 PM

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Originally posted by Statikk HDM
communism ... is ... utopian

It is utopian in the sence that it is very good but it is practicable.

Sl'askia · #23 03-21-2002, 08:46 PM

While checking one of the news sites I found this article. It's about a totally different subject...but the village they mention in this article seems to be (if I understand the defination of true communism right) practicing close to what Dan says is true communism...

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/scite...d/dyehard.html

It's about half-way down the article if you don't want to read all the N/A stuff...

As for the question at hand...to be honest I am not sure...though I am leaning toward communism as Dan described it.

BiddaMD · #24 04-05-2002, 08:08 PM

What the hell? You all have weird things to say. For one, Danny you are wrong about the name for giving all the power to a leader. I don't know where you got Stalinism from...It has been done before Stalin.....It is simply a dictatorship. And...for SeaRex, I enjoy your comment on anarchy but we all know that as good as anarchy is afterwards...it really bites ass when it happens. Another thing, to all you people, being a patriotic citizen isn't cool at all. In fact, it shows how stupid you are that you would love your country. You kids on your computers obviously don't know how the real world is. America is not some diamond in the rough, the best among the rest. All it is a super power that interferes with everyones business. As far as economy goes, we are lucky. You just don't realize it isn't the best at all. Tons of video games and companies and conglomerates don't make a country geat....What makes a country great is the people in it. And as far as I'm concerned, American culture sucks.

BiddaMD · #25 04-05-2002, 08:10 PM

oh yeah SlipKnot sucks.

Surfacing · #26 04-05-2002, 09:29 PM

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Originally posted by BiddaMD
oh yeah SlipKnot sucks.

WHAT!!??

Watch what you say Newbie.

BiddaMD · #27 04-05-2002, 09:45 PM

Hey man...just because I have less stars than you doesn't mean I can't state the truth. Maybe if you would get your head out of a Dingo's ass you'd realize that melody makes music, not melodic screaming.

Surfacing · #28 04-05-2002, 10:34 PM

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Originally posted by BiddaMD
Hey man...just because I have less stars than you doesn't mean I can't state the truth. Maybe if you would get your head out of a Dingo's ass you'd realize that melody makes music, not melodic screaming.

Your not the first to pick on the vocals.

Danny · #29 04-05-2002, 11:08 PM

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Originally posted by BiddaMD
What the hell? You all have weird things to say. For one, Danny you are wrong about the name for giving all the power to a leader. I don't know where you got Stalinism from...It has been done before Stalin.....It is simply a dictatorship.

No, Dictatorship is a Political term, whereas Stalinism is an Economic term.

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America is not some diamond in the rough, the best among the rest. All it is a super power that interferes with everyones business. As far as economy goes, we are lucky. You just don't realize it isn't the best at all. Tons of video games and companies and conglomerates don't make a country geat....What makes a country great is the people in it. And as far as I'm concerned, American culture sucks.

Agreed totally. Except for the bit about the Americans being lucky...

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oh yeah SlipKnot sucks.

Amen.

Surfacing · #30 04-06-2002, 12:54 AM

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Originally posted by Danny

Amen.

Don't you start again.

EDIT: Oh to hell with it! I'm taking down my banner and avatar, no more slipknot theme, i like 15 other bands just as much of them, i gotta stop being such an extremist.