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Whoah, I seriously can't hold it back any longer. Usually, you always try to be polite and not start a topic that doesn't bright up someone's day. But I can't do that this time. I'm probably not made to be kind.

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Contains strong language!


The whole society, mankind, with which I grew up always tried to muzzle me, giving me pills, throwing me in a jail for problem children, just ANYTHING to make me finally shut up. But obviously, they failed now.

The real reason, and what made me a problem child, are THEM and not me. It was THEM who abused me and taught me how to do it to get away with it. It was THEM who destroyed my believes and vitality. It was THEM who made all the differences in my world which now has become a quite ugly place.

And now it's THEM again who always keep telling me that I am the problem here. That it's MY view that makes the world a dark place. After experiencing it, they call my memories a lie simply because they didn't experience it.

Lies on TV is what made them ignorant. What made them cold-hearted, pirate-loving, women-abusing, war-supporting people.

People, I know what true hate is. It's just like love. You badly want to meet the concerned person, it makes you happy when you meet her/him, and it makes you sick if you don't. And what's worse; it never ends. It burns in your mind, it changes you, it drives you insane. Your uncontrolled lust feelings go to a completely wrong direction. And you can't do a shit about it. You can go masturbate to finally get rid of these feelings and thoughts, but that won't hold back that lust created by pure hate for long.

Don't support hate in any way!
Once you get it, you'll never get rid of it ever again. You won't be able to love simply because you lost your believe of its correct use. But you certainly know one thing:

Love does more than pills. Love does more than pills.

I'm 19 year old now. That's a freaking long time for someone who lives alone with a special vision and view of today's society. I hate these many persons who judge me by my age, they're just as ignorant as anyone else I met. They think they know what my damn life has been like simply because of a number.
It was exactly such persons that only cared about me when it came to any kind of abuse, whether it was because they hated me, or fell in love with me and wanted to own me. And that already began when I was a kid. I became an adult's toy. Could I do a damn shit about it? No.
Did they ever get punished? Haha, who's gonna listen to a kid anyway?
Especially to a kid that became a problem child because her confusion made her aggressive, what made her lonely, what made her being different from others, what made her misunderstood.
19 years, dammit!
How many days are that? How many hours?

You're naive if you think that something's going to change about the people around me now. It's still like always. They try to make me one of them. They don't want to understand what I've lived through, what I've learned, what I could have taught them if they only would have listened. And then they wonder why this world keeps getting darker and darker. And that's what I can't understand.

Here's what I hear in churches:
We all should love each other like brothers and sisters.

Here's what I see on TV:
Brothers and sisters kill each other in the war.

Here's what I see and hear about the TV's watchers:
They support that war. They give a shit about the poor people in Iraq who just couldn't choose to be born there as we couldn't choose to be born on our countries. They give a shit about the mothers, fathers, daughters, sons, sisters, brothers... about anyone who gets killed. And anyone who kills back. Spreading around hate.
Trading oil with blood.
Trading paper and metal against precious lives, which is really priceless.

Another day it says in the news that someone of their own country got killed or abused. Suddenly, anyone goes aww. They don't hear the endless screams of non-Americans out there who get killed or abused, which could have been done by Americans too.

The whole planet is one place.
With countries, we separated it. We made us ignorant. We got taught to be ignorant at school already, simply by hanging up our flag and always telling how much we love THIS country, and this country only. Did we ever do something to say that other countries are cool, too? Unique and an adventure of which we can learn from each other? No.
Why? Because we get manipulated. They want us to be egos, because those are the best soldiers to use in a war. We are taught to not care when we kill strangers. We are taught to not hear their screams. Their cry for help and understanding.
We are taught to hate. We are taught to forget about the true purpose of life. We forget about respect, kindness, trust. We even consider them to be silly and immature.

Adult movies. Porns. Soft-porn, hard-porn, and child porn.
Mature? That is really considered to be mature?

Those who see a woman (whether it's a girl, a sister, a daugher, a girlfriend, or a mother) as a whore, already forgot about what it means to respect. Those who buy women with money, haven't realized that money is nothing more than paper and metal, believed to me more worth than unique lives. There are billions of bills and coins. But unique means there's only one. And anything alive is unique. Plants, animals, humans, land. We get taught to trade something dead with something alive. We influence the future life of that one person alive we bought with money. Noone really cares about that fact. But they will keep doing it anyway and support hate.

I don't have power to change that. My life is too connected to their moods and money.

When they're like raping me, I can't do a shit about it. Only watching it and waiting till it's over. I know they'll get away with it. Even if they do get arrested, what's gonna change? They'll only wait for the moment when they can get out the jail again to rape more women, men, children, or even animals. In fact, the time they'll spend without having sex makes them WANT to have it even more than ever before.

When they're like shooting me, I can't do a shit about it either. Weapons are invented, popular, and allowed to use. Sick video games, movies, and stories already teach children to kill. They teach them that killers are heroes. Killing.

When they're like ignoring me, I also can't do a shit about it.
"Takes some pills." "Do drugs." "Go suicide."
I'm nothing. But I'm there, anyway. So I must be something.

Why do I do art? It's the one and only medium I've found to tell stories. My voice is unheard, but my images are seen. Pictures can be a language understood by any country. Art is a freedom. It doesn't separate countries, it unites them. It's knowledge and experience to trade, and to learn from.
It can touch. It can hurt. And of couse, it can be a lot of fun too!

Art is a journey. It's a way of life.
And it's a way of life without killing someone else's.


School makes me pissed pretty much now. So many lies, so much wasting of time. They still try to manipulate me, and teach me their own stuff instead of some I actually want to learn to become an artist.
But it probably won't happen that I'll learn art at school.
Who cares, I had to learn anything I know about art from artists and own experiences I had outside of school anyway.

I know these teachers at school are not gonna change. They're taught to not to.
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This is equal parts truth and paranoia. Give me a moment though, I'm not quite up to discerning one from another right now.

I will tell you this though: if you focus only on the bad, it will destroy you. That video I sent you wasn't just for laughs, it had a very valuable message.
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Life is shit for everyone. Unfortunately, a lot of people have it worse off than shit.
We're stuck on the shores of Hell. The only way out is through. Hang in there.

Some people may be familiar with that final sentence. I stole it from a video game. But I find it pretty much sums everything up.
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if you focus only on the bad, it will destroy you.
QFT.

There is a lot of hate in the world, a lot of evil and a lot of simple minded ignorance. You have to try and see the good in people because there is good in most people and thats not just naivety speaking; that's experience.

I also agree with you about the porn matter. The commercialisation of a woman's body (or for that reason a man's body) has skewered humanities view of respect somewhat. The fact you can't listen to a nice tune nowdays without having some musically inept whore (be it male or female) make millions by waggling her/his wares about is abhorrent in the extreme, that isn't music, that's blatantly pornography.

I'm inclined to disagree with you about teachers and nationalism however, I believe that's largely culturally dependant. I have known some amazing teachers who have taught me some good non-curriculum lessons (And have been supportive) and, at least in the area I grew up in, in England we are not taught to love our country but were rather discouraged from nationalism and taught empathy for all countries (Two reasons for this I think a, I was bought up in a Catholic school and b, Britain has a long nasty history of nationalism/imperialism that we are trying to break away from [Much like the 'Stolen Generation' situation in Australia])

Capitalism is wrong the very idea, that world leaders seem to have embraced, that humans live their lives for money which in turn gets power and in turn gets more money is disgusting. At the end of the day, all you can do if you're not prepared to try and make a real difference is to try to look after the ones closest to you and teach them to love. I, as an idealist, believe this is a very possible way of restoring love and respect to our society.

My two cents.
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I must apologize here. I didn't mean to say that my life is like anyone's or something, or that there's absolutely no good around. Man, am I bad writer.

Guess, I'm just having a bad day. It's really not like I'm always in such a mood as told in this thread.


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What does that mean, anyway?
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Quoted for truth

And 'My two cents' is a euphemism for expressing your opinion.

We all have bad days sometimes and you are most certainly not a bad writer.

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Yes life sucks, deal with it. And this is coming from someone who experienced pretty much the same thing so there.

There is no use in whining about how life isn't fair or how 70% of the world's population are stupid moronic assholes. We already know those things and there's nothing you can do about it. Just go about your way as you want to live, as long as you don't bother anyone it's all good.
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Havoc, that's not helping. There's a big difference between moaning because your girlfriend's gone away for a week and moaning about real problems.

Be a bastard to the former, and nice to the latter.
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Best slogan ever.

Give me a G!

Give me an O!

Give me a oh, fuck it. What do I care? The world is shit.

I'm just going to draw a warm bath and lay in it. Lay in it for eternity.


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That is possibly the most contextually ignorant statement I have ever heard in my life.
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Havoc, that's not helping. There's a big difference between moaning because your girlfriend's gone away for a week and moaning about real problems.

Be a bastard to the former, and nice to the latter.
Moaning is still moaning. But I was a little blunt, I admit.

Still, I have been in the same situation. 18 years of shit will never leave you, believe me. Your history makes who you are (one sleeps in the bed one makes, I guess. But some people don't get to make their own bed ) and in my case it made me an arrogant person who couldn't even be emotionally crushed by an 18-wheeler.

I've learned that the world is very fucked up place but that most people don't care to see it as long as it doesn't affect them. Blowing the crap out of people a thousand miles away doesn't bother anyone but when a plane hits your towers you're suddenly a victim.

People eat meat as much as they can, processing hamburgers at top speeds until they see where those hamburgers are coming from. Take a random person to a butchery and they will go: OMG that's horrible! And that same night just have another steak. People are hypocrites. Most people wouldn't want to kill a cow for their own meat, it's just convenient that someone else can do it for you.

Natural selection has been almost eliminated these days. In a balanced eco system only the strongest survive. The stupid and the weak either fall down a cliff or get eaten or drown. In our world the stupid don't die, but become president. We insist on helping those who are so deformed or handicapped they could never have a normal life without someone aiding them just because we can't let ourself stand by and see nature take it's course. People want to make themselfs feel good before thinking of the feelings of another person. People know months in advance their baby is going to be born retarded and still decide to keep it.

And what is intelligence? Having as much college degrees on your wall as possible, or being able to have your own opinion in the world and stand for it? Where would we be if no-one ever had a new idea? We'd still be throwing rocks at gay people and set random people on fire because we don't agree with their interests.

In short, I do get what this guy is on about. But I'm long past the station where I'm gonna try to do something about it and that was what I was telling this guy. No matter what you do or think, the world will not change because of one man's actions and is it seriously worth the effort?
I live my life by my own opinion, by my view of the world and by my definition of wrong and right, regardless of laws and societies morals. For me, my ideas are the right ones but I'm also not perfect and sometimes I have to adjust my ideas too. Most might say that's an arrogant statement, I say that it's a way to survive in the world of the stupid. You can't outsmart 6 billion stupid fucks, so the next best thing is to just lay low and do your own thing.

The world is not fair, people are stupid, deal with it.

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Matriar: Whilst I'm sympathetic to what you say, this really isn't the right place to express yourself. Did you really think you'd get proper help through a video game forum?

I suggest you go see a counsellor. Speaking from experience, they really do wonders in helping work shit out.
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I suggest you go see a counsellor. Speaking from experience, they really do wonders in helping work shit out.
Yes and no. If you're open to a counsellor then it MIGHT work. But if this guy is just a bit like me (and by the looks of it he is) then it's not gonna work for one bit. Talking about it with people does work though, but not in a forced situation.

Here's a tip: If you can't find suitable people to talk about your anger in the real world, go create a blog. You can vent all you want there, write down your exact opinion on EVERYTHING and those interested WILL find it. Even if people don't contact you about it, at least you vented your frustrations and you can read it back sometimes later if you want to.
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Well, of course Havoc. You only get out what you put in. If you want to deal with your issues, as counsillor will help.

Also, Matriar is female.
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Wow, Havoc, never expected such comments from you!
(Not meant as an insult, I probably don't know you good enough.)

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Did you really think you'd get proper help through a video game forum?
Well, shit...

Feel free to remove this thread.

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I suggest you go see a counsellor. Speaking from experience, they really do wonders in helping work shit out.
Thing is, I'm kinda tired of headshrinkers who first listen to my stories and then want to pump me up with random pills.

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Ignorance is Bliss. Hey, you look pretty happy.
Though it solves nothing. :P But maybe sometimes I have to think that way in order to get by. But I accept bad things too. I accept that I'm human, that I'm part of an idiotic species who murders its own kind and spreads terror, destruction and chaos wherever it treads, even on tiny scales. I accept that one day we'll all be killed by our own stupidity. But I guess it's easy to accept considering it all doesn't really affect me directly yet.

There are some things I don't accept. Like the stupidity of the humans immediately around me. Like some stupid rules that we make to try and keep us 'in order'. Like some of the destructive shit we do in the world. It makes me angry and upset, sure, but in the end, what can I do except bitchslap everyone, not acheive anything and get arrested in the process?

I've got a life to lead. You may only live once, who knows? I waste enough time as it is just simply by living my life - There isn't much point in wasting more of my time worrying about stuff I can't change and getting all upset about it. Therefore I don't think about the bad shit much and continue with my life with maybe the hope that one day I'll reach a point where I can change things. It's partly ignorance, I know, but everything'd get me down otherwise. I want that me and the people I care about are happy. I take pleasure in simple things and don't demand a lot from life, and try and keep my impact low in the meantime and not be a problem to others. . . I focus on my love more than my hate, and appreciate all the love I've got around me.

It works for me until other people come along and try and ruin it 'cause they're bastards. Maybe it's good just to let go and relax sometimes, though.

My crappy opinion. :P And half of this is un-related and irellevant. But think about it.

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What I'm trying to say is just let go sometimes. Things are shitty, life gets you down, especailly when shit happened to you in the past. But think about what matters to you. Keep an eye on where you're going in life and where you want to be. Convince yourself that one day you'll be awesome and that things will be better. Take things with a pinch of salt unless they're serious and affect you in a very negative way. In those cases, don't take shit lying down and defend yourself instead of getting rolled over.

We're human. We do this sort of crap with killing each other - It's just in our nature. People are immature and stupid. Stupidity can be delt with however. You CAN make your own path and go your own way, and spit in the face of those who disagree with you. If people aren't open minded toward you then it's not worth dealing with them unless you need to.

What I'm saying probably won't help you at all, but never mind. :P
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Thing is, I'm kinda tired of headshrinkers who first listen to my stories and then want to pump me up with random pills.
Fair enough. That's why I suggested a counsillor rather than psychiatrist. Not sure if it's the same where you live but here the former are 100% 'Let's talk it over' people. Last counsillor I spoke to spent some time talking me out of Ritalin.
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Fair enough. That's why I suggested a counsillor rather than psychiatrist. Not sure if it's the same where you live but here the former are 100% 'Let's talk it over' people. Last counsillor I spoke to spent some time talking me out of Ritalin.
Very true. I attended a psychology seminar based on Borderline personality disorder, and during the break when speaking to the lecturer, she discussed the stark differences between psychologists and psychiatrists. To be fair, she was obviously biased, but I did agree with her on many things.

In my opinion, I'd "trust" a psychologists methods more then a psychiatrists.

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In my opinion, I'd "trust" a psychologists methods more then a psychiatrists.

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Which form? Psychiatrists only use one approach to psychology, the biological model; a self evident load of toss which assumes every psychological problem has a physical cause and therefore can be treated like a disease or infection.

Mainstream psychologists roll into three categories, all of which are extremely different. Behavioural (All behaviour is learned so all behaviour can be unlearned), Cognitive (Believing all 'bad' behaviour is the work of faulty cognitions which can be set right by positive thinking) and Pyschodynamic (Think Freud).

I agree with you in principle, I'd much rather, and have, talked to a psychologist.
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While I agree with you on some parts, people naturally blame others before themselves, and while I want to believe you being a problem child is everyone else's fault, I have heard it far too many childs, and while you may be honest, I just don't believe it any more.

I will read more thouroughly before I go into detail, as I am beginning, but as said before, we are all living through shit, I am struggling very hard not to tell you my story, in fact, I wrote about a page of bitching untill I deleted it all.

Complaining is good, let it out, it's the only way we can help, and things can be solved and improved, by all means, tell us all, but don't just blame everyone else.

Now, I'm seriously considering creating a thread where we can all bitch till our lives are content, but I'm not sure if this is alright with everyone, I just don't want to fill Matiar's thread with my crap (oh wait I just did... yes I am paying myself, and only myself out).
I know I might sound unsympathic and ignorgant, but I'm going to read thread everything you've said when I don't have loads of homework before I can give you advice.
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Psychiatrists only use one approach to psychology, the biological model; a self evident load of toss which assumes every psychological problem has a physical cause and therefore can be treated like a disease or infection.
That sounds more like neurology to me. Except for the toss part. They're the ones who are biologists.

Then again, if all your brain functions are simply processes taking place in your neurones, psychological problems really do have physical causes: the active transport of Sodium and Calcium ions across a double phospholipid membrane through protein pores due to the powered action of P-type ion pumps.
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