Jackson NOT GUILTY!

Dino · #1 06-13-2005, 08:59 PM

Michael Jackson has been cleared of all charges and is a free man.

GO MJ!

Link: http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8062350/

Leto · #2 06-13-2005, 09:08 PM

I couldn't believe it myself. I'm rather two-sided when it comes to ol' MJ.

Firstly, I believe he's very ****ed. As in, he was an abused child, and it has had an outcome on his mental and physical appearance.

But, then again, the opposition to Jackson were obviously liars... Yet another case of 'Moochie moochie!' of thooper-stars.

But then again, MJ is a very weird person... Salad Fingers of life, sort of.

I am very confused on the subject.

***Alcar*** · #3 06-13-2005, 11:07 PM

I'm glad he was found not guilty. I think people should leave the poor man alone.

Alcar...

Dino · #4 06-14-2005, 01:19 AM

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I'm glad he was found not guilty. I think people should leave the poor man alone.

Alcar...

Agreed. Also, Paedophile is becoming almost as much of a 'buzz-word' as Terrorist, and the less we have of it in the news the better. These days you can't live a day without hearing something about one or the other. I for one am getting sick of encountering it. "Excuse me sorry sir but I'm afraid you can't do that anymore because of [insert terrorist/paedophile related reason here]".

Hobo · #5 06-14-2005, 01:26 AM

I disagree. He's messed up, and i think it was pretty blatenet that something was going on. Just the wrong family decided to prosocute. Bloody pikeys. And child abuse isn't really an excuse for all this, i have a close friend who was abused and raped as a child, and other than some basic psycological changes like a fear of men and self hatred, she doesn't want to make herself black and make kids sleep with her.

Melt the pedo dammit.

Dino · #6 06-14-2005, 01:45 AM

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I disagree. He's messed up, and i think it was pretty blatenet that something was going on. Just the wrong family decided to prosocute. Bloody pikeys. And child abuse isn't really an excuse for all this, i have a close friend who was abused and raped as a child, and other than some basic psycological changes like a fear of men and self hatred, she doesn't want to make herself black and make kids sleep with her.

Melt the pedo dammit.

Jesus Christ Hobo, you think you have more prosecution evidence than the jury did why don't you go give your information to the police?

Hobo · #7 06-14-2005, 01:59 AM

Hey, suck my opinion. Don't like it? Fuck you.

***Nate*** · #8 06-14-2005, 03:34 AM

I'm not too surprised. The prosecution case was almost as shonky as O.J. Simpson's.

The freakiest thing of the many I saw on the news about this trial was the support of the fans outside the courthouse.

a) Why in god's good name has the man still got such rabid fans? He hasn't put out anything good in 15 years.
b) Why would the fact that he is, allegedly, a fantastic musician immediately imply that he is innocent? I don't get the connection myself, but there was someone preaching that line a couple of days ago.

Oddish · #9 06-14-2005, 05:17 AM

Well that's good to hear. I think he sufferd enought anyway, and that he Jackson learnt his lesson.

Godlesswanderer · #10 06-14-2005, 07:38 AM

If all the allegations were true, I doubt he learnt his lesson. He'll probably do the same things but more secretive.

Jacob · #11 06-14-2005, 07:52 AM

I don't like his fans. His fans scare me. His fans should be melted.

"Praise God!"

Idiots.

OANST · #12 06-14-2005, 08:43 AM

Did you say he learnt his lesson? ANYONE TOUCHES MY CHILD AND THEY WILL NEVER LEARN THEIR LESSON. I will be the one going to prison. I kid you not, I will castrate and kill anyone who tried to do that to my daughter. The idea of settling for money is disgusting.

Abe16 · #13 06-14-2005, 08:49 AM

I agree with old and notso tastey and hobo. No questions asked.

Dino · #14 06-14-2005, 09:01 AM

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Hey, suck my opinion. Don't like it? Fuck you.

I'm just confused as to why you and all the other "Jackson is a pedo, lets kill him!" people make such statements when you usually A: don't have any valid logical reason to believe that he's a pedo, and B: dislike him anyway, therefore just using the allegations as a convenient excuse to slander his name.

It strikes me as funny that these people believe that their intelligence is greater than that of the United States legal system. The sheer arrogance and ignorance required to disagree with the outcome of such a carefully conducted lawsuit... it's just astronomical. It's literally akin to walking up to a wall and denying that it exists simply because you don't like walls and think you know better.

I would seriously like to see your evidence for Jackson being a Pedo.

soulstice · #15 06-14-2005, 09:02 AM

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Did you say he learnt his lesson? ANYONE TOUCHES MY CHILD AND THEY WILL NEVER LEARN THEIR LESSON. I will be the one going to prison. I kid you not, I will castrate and kill anyone who tried to do that to my daughter. The idea of settling for money is disgusting.

You don't even know that he did anything to those kids. It really could've been a genuine love for childhood or it could've been ill-intentioned.
None of us really know what he did, so we shouldn't make judgments. Sure, he may seem strange at times, but my personal opinion is that we don't know if he did anything or if he actually did, so we don't have the right to make judgments.
We don't know if there were harmless or sexual reasons behind what we all saw on 'Living with Michael Jackson,' do we? We can't possibly assume that he did do it or didn't.

OANST · #16 06-14-2005, 09:31 AM

I didn't say word one about Michael Jackson. What I was saying is that if he had done it the idea of him having learned his lesson is revolting.

Dino · #17 06-14-2005, 09:53 AM

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I didn't say word one about Michael Jackson. What I was saying is that if he had done it the idea of him having learned his lesson is revolting.

I think you brought up another interesting point though.

The idea of a family settling for money IS disgusting. Truly disgusting. And I don't believe that a family that had been a REAL victim of a paedophile would settle for anything less than a maximum jail sentence and a hefty fine - no settlements or any such BS. This is what I feel mainly brings the credibility of the prosecution into question.

EDIT: Soulstice has the right idea though - don't judge a case if you have no proof.

Oddish · #18 06-14-2005, 10:00 AM

Good points. I think Micheal should know what not to do what with the kids, otherwise he would get in cort agian and probably end up gulity, which isn't a wise thing to happend, unless it's a misunderstanding.

Dino · #19 06-14-2005, 10:34 AM

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Good points. I think Micheal should know what not to do what with the kids, otherwise he would get in cort agian and probably end up gulity, which isn't a wise thing to happend, unless it's a misunderstanding.

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No. I'm going to refrain from commenting on that. I'm just going to point out that right now I'm wondering why you seem to have difficulty spelling certain 5 to 8 letter words, but still manage to spell 'misunderstanding' absolutely perfectly. Baffling, utterly baffling.

Oddish · #20 06-14-2005, 11:03 AM

Ok, you didn't have to realy comment on that. I'm just saying my views based on this thread. Sure I don't have the best grammer, but you shouldn't have to worry about that.

Dino · #21 06-14-2005, 11:11 AM

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Ok, don't then.

Uh 10 4, that's an affirmative control.

Oddish · #22 06-14-2005, 11:15 AM

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Uh 10 4, that's an affirmative control.

I've already edited, I accidently clicked the "enter button"

OANST · #23 06-14-2005, 11:16 AM

I've already smoked enough crack to make this seem interesting.

Dino · #24 06-14-2005, 11:24 AM

Drugs are just bad mmkay. Just say no mmkay.

Unless you're diabetic.

Jacob · #25 06-14-2005, 01:52 PM

'It strikes me as funny that these people believe that their intelligence is greater than that of the United States legal system.'

It would've struck me that you'd've been one of the more anti-US legal system people on the forums. Bizarre.

Besides, when it all boils down to it most of the time the justice system (mainly the US and UK) is basically about who can argue the best. It's only the French's legal system that is fair, as it awaits for the collection of all the evidence before going to trial (from what i gather, anytoast).

On a seperate matter my views on MJ are properly split. On one hand i think that he's mentally a child and so just wants to be around children, HOWEVER this also adds credences to his attraction of children. As surely if he's mentally a child, he'd be attracted to other children that have the same age of his mental age.

Meh, so yeh, much like the Fox-hunting and Bull fighting debates, i'm split down the middle.

Dino · #26 06-15-2005, 03:34 AM

The US legal system has more EVIDENCE and more access to INFORMATION than anyone else does - they have the police, FBI, and CSI. I never said that the legal system doesn't have it's flaws, but to be honest given that this was such a controvercial case I doubt that those flaws got anywhere even close to within a mile of that courtroom. The jury were especially picked for neutrality, and they decided from the evidence given that Jacko was not guilty, a verdict with which the Judge agreed.

The US legal system is not about who can argue the best, and is actually down to who has the most credibility. In this case it was Jacko. But the question is, did he REALLY do it? I think the answer is probably no. I find it to be too big of a coincidence that so far all the people who've played the paedophile card have been a bunch of celebrity money leechers, and that so far they've all been after money settlements rather than justice.

The reality of the situation is, that NOBODY truly knows. Anyone who says that they "know the truth" are lying. But to be honest I see more evidence FOR jackson than there is AGAINST.

***Nate*** · #27 06-15-2005, 04:09 AM

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Besides, when it all boils down to it most of the time the justice system (mainly the US and UK) is basically about who can argue the best. It's only the French's legal system that is fair, as it awaits for the collection of all the evidence before going to trial (from what i gather, anytoast).

I don't get it.

How do they know when to draw the line and say "that's it, it's not possible for any more evidence to be found"? Or at least, what makes them so much better at deciding than US and UK prosecutors?

SeaRex · #28 06-15-2005, 05:25 AM

It doesn't matter.

The constant flak this guy is going to endure for the rest of his life is punishment... regardless of whether or not he actually did anything. Of course he doesn't deserve it, no one does, but there are American TV shows that are still making jokes about OJ Simpson, for Christ's sake.

I mean, if he did indeed molest that child, then he should rot in jail, but he's been found innocent, and this time everyone can't blame faulty and/or "confusing" DNA evidence like in the OJ trial. To be honest, I feel sorry for the guy.

American TV sucks.

EDIT: for clarity.

Dino · #29 06-15-2005, 06:04 AM

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It doesn't matter.

The constant flak this guy is going to endure for the rest of his life is punishment enough... regardless of whether or not he actually did anything.

What do you mean, "regardless of whether or not he actually did anything"? That makes no sense... Surely if he did nothing wrong he deserves no punishment? If he's recieving punishment when he doesn't deserve it, then isn't that punishment more along the lines of torture and unfair treatment?

That's a bit like you being mocked for the rest of your life and someone saying "it doesn't matter whether you deserve it or not, at least you're being punished".

Jacob · #30 06-15-2005, 08:35 AM

To Dino and Nate, my main point (which wasn't really put across that well) was that in the legal system of the French, the arguments focus around the evidence, whereas with the other systems it's basically a case of eviserating the oppositions standing by use of mudslinging and nit-picking.

My Auntie has often taken the stand in cases that have gone to court (as she's a Police officer) and she says the amount of times the Defense Lawyers try and confuse you/mislead you/goad you is unbelievable. They have even forced her to recite the caution she gave them and if one word was out of place through the sheer pressure of the situation, they'd latch onto that and try and tear apart the believability that she/others have portrayed.