I believe it was PA who expressed his fears of the Draft?

Esus · #1 06-21-2004, 09:20 PM

http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/pu...cle_8231.shtml

Well, apparently, next year the USA are going to put in place a mandatory draft for all males and females aged eighteen to twenty-five.

I'd get voting if was you

***Alcar*** · #2 06-21-2004, 09:57 PM

Lol, if that is an actual truth, I express my deepest sorrows for America. It's good to know Bush cares.

Alcar...

Eriken · #3 06-21-2004, 10:46 PM

Just another reason why America isn't the land of the free. I'm surprised you haven't elected the equivalent of Joseph Stalin yet. At least he was more intelligent than Bush.

a flock of seagulls · #4 06-21-2004, 11:07 PM

dont you none-americans what us americans should do! i would post more but i dont shive a git for the draft.

ClaireBear · #5 06-21-2004, 11:41 PM

You know... it couldn't happen to a nicer country!

Its not at all surprising... what with the reprisals the re-reprisals for other reprisals and the sherman firendly fire wiping their own troops out... they need fresh blood... and bone... and flesh.. a flying limbs!

Fez · #6 06-22-2004, 07:18 AM

Ha! Glad i'm not in America. I wont mind being drafted, but the American army! Please!

SeaRex · #7 06-22-2004, 07:20 AM

Actually, it was I who first expressed fear of the draft.

And I certainly hope it doesn't pass. What sucks worst of all is that I won't be old enough to vote this election, but I will be old enough by the time the draft is instated. Irony, eh? I can't run to Canada either... stupid "smart border" treaty.

However, there have been a lot of rumors flying around about the draft. No one really knows for sure if and when it will be put into effect.

EDIT: Hahaha... cute. The "soap box alert" (link at bottom of article) is no longer active. I wonder why.

Shell Man · #8 06-22-2004, 11:00 AM

This is just ridiculous. Not only is this war controversial enough, but now they want to send the youth of America over there, even if they disagree with the war, which many of them do. Bush is a moron and needs to lose his job FAST. Seriously, if Bush is re-elected after all the idiocy he's shown, I will lose every ounce of respect for this country.

Abe's son · #9 06-22-2004, 12:06 PM

If everyone hates us...

Why do you care?

...If this turns into WWIII,I'll piss myself laughing and Kyle'll owe me $150.

w00t.

paramiteabe · #10 06-22-2004, 01:53 PM

The bill suggest that there should be not just a military service but also the option of a civilian service in the national defense. Like probabally being a security officier. Besides the only way out of this is to inlist in the Air Force. Your guaranteed two years of service if you inlist into the Air Force. From my understanding you avoid being put on the front lines unless you become a pilot. But they are going to start with 18 year olds first but by the time they get to me I will be 27 or 28. But only Democrats support this bill 1 Democrat supports SR 89 and 15 Democrats support H.R. 163.

Big_Bro_Slig222 · #11 06-22-2004, 03:02 PM

W00T. I can't be drafted. I have a heart condition and was born with one kidney. Hooray for disfunctionality!

Shell Man · #12 06-22-2004, 04:08 PM

Do you have to take a drug test? What happens if you fail it?

SeaRex · #13 06-22-2004, 04:31 PM

The only thing I have going for me is bad vision... which very well could get me out of a draft.

Although PA's notion of the draft is highly unlikely, I honestly wouldn't mind being a security/national guard type guy. Seriously, I could live with that. It's the going over to another country and fighting a war I don't believe in that gets to me (argh... too tired... grammar suffering).

Of course, the draft is for soldiers, not national guard. If Bush instates the draft, we're NOT going to be given a choice. The government didn't try it's hardest to keep dodgers out of Canada only to have everyone wuss out and become a security guard.

paramiteabe · #14 06-22-2004, 07:59 PM

The likelyhood of this happening is low and if it does happen by the time 2006 roles around the Iraqi government which will be established within less than two weeks from now will have the athorty for us the leave. 2006 is when we are suppose to leave Iraq. But when the government is handed over on June 30th we will be there as not police but more or less overseers sort of like there but out of the picture. June 30th all the power is on Iraq's hands and they are the ones that have to stop the crimes in their own country in their own way. Infact we are handing over Saddam to the new Iraqi government after we know for sure that he won't be able to escape. The Iraqis are going to have a true taste of freedom. There is a lot of good news comming out of Iraq more so than the bad stuff. Infact there are already Iraqis createing there own radio talkshows now. The media is paying more attention to the bad stuff and not enough on the good that is happening over there.

Esus · #15 06-23-2004, 05:03 AM

They're very unlikely to put newly drafted officers on the front line, they'd leave that tot he experience people who actually have the morale to fight. You'd most likely get dumped on a ship as a trainee chef in the middle of the pacific ocean, wearing a navy uniform.

Statikk HDM · #16 06-23-2004, 05:21 AM

AAAAAAAAHHHH!!!! Well, looks like I'll be moving to a different continent. I hear Australia is nice and doesn't tax money made from gambling so its not all bad.
No wait, I've got piss poor vision, allergies, and a really mild case of asthma. Think I'll be able to leverage that so I won't have to piss the best years of my life away as a rent-a-cop in a war I don't support?

SeaRex · #17 06-23-2004, 05:33 AM

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You'd most likely get dumped on a ship as a trainee chef in the middle of the pacific ocean, wearing a navy uniform.

Which I wouldn't mind either. It's the front line I worry about.

However, if it came down to it, I think I could pull the trigger. Not for my country, but for myself and the other soldiers with me. Selfish? F*ck yeah, it's selfish. It's selfish and cowardly. Then again, you have to realize that the opposing force not only wants to fight for survival, but fight for a cause they actually believe in. Face it folks, al-Qaida forces have a level of devotion that American draftees could never attain.

Erm... tangent. Sorry.

Shell Man · #18 06-23-2004, 10:26 AM

You know, I can't help but think Al-Qiada would love a chance to get their hands on some draftees, either to publicly kill or torture them. I mean, you really gotta wonder how much we've already been playing into their hands. But seriously, a young, unwilling American who was just on his way to a promising career, get plucked out of his life and dumped needlessly into war. That's quite an irresistable target for anti-Americans.

paramiteabe · #19 06-23-2004, 10:57 AM

And you say I am blind through the media. Once again your views on these issues is as thin as the media. Dude you know how many years this draft bill has been floating around Congress? More than your years on this Earth. Nearly 43 years its been sitting in Congress waiting to be active again. Newsflash for all of you, THIS IS NOT ANYTHING NEW! ITS BEEN GOING ON ALL THE TIME THE MEDIA IS HYPEING THIS TO SCARE THE LIVEING DAYLIGHTS OUT OF YOU AND IT IS WORKING! The Democrats are the ones saying we need more troops in Iraq and you the left want to vote for Kerry just to get Bush out of office. And when you do that yes there will be a draft but not on Bush's hands. Bush wants to pull out once there is security in Iraq and as far as I am concern I am glad I am Republican and a right wing conservative. At least one things for sure I don't support terror as you left wingers on many occasions do.

SeaRex · #20 06-23-2004, 11:52 AM

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And you say I am blind through the media. Once again your views on these issues is as thin as the media. Dude you know how many years this draft bill has been floating around Congress? More than your years on this Earth. Nearly 43 years its been sitting in Congress waiting to be active again. Newsflash for all of you, THIS IS NOT ANYTHING NEW! ITS BEEN GOING ON ALL THE TIME THE MEDIA IS HYPEING THIS TO SCARE THE LIVEING DAYLIGHTS OUT OF YOU AND IT IS WORKING! The Democrats are the ones saying we need more troops in Iraq and you the left want to vote for Kerry just to get Bush out of office. And when you do that yes there will be a draft but not on Bush's hands. Bush wants to pull out once there is security in Iraq and as far as I am concern I am glad I am Republican and a right wing conservative. At least one things for sure I don't support terror as you left wingers on many occasions do.

Who the hell are you yelling at?

paramiteabe · #21 06-23-2004, 02:04 PM

All of you guys because this is nothing but hype and you guys seriously fell for it. That bill has been in Congress for years and all of a sudden there is a website from Canada I bet releaseing an article to scare us. I saw on the congressional website and it hasn't passed and it won't pass as long as more and more troops keep going over there. For one the death toll is far smaller than the amount of troops we do have over there. We are makeing a big deal from absolutely nothing because this bill has been floating around Congress forever.

But if it does pass for some odd reason then none of us will be able to dodge it even if we do move to another country. But I don't have to worry because ill be 26 years old by the time they get to 22 year olds. They will start with the 18 year olds first and they pull names on a draft lottery on a monthly basis thus by the time they get to the 22 year olds it will be a couple of years and I shall have aged 3 or 4 years by then which would make me 26 or 27. I am going to be 24 next year and I will be 23 this year so I am not overly concerned about this.

SeaRex · #22 06-23-2004, 02:37 PM

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All of you guys because this is nothing but hype and you guys seriously fell for it.

Oh?

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However, there have been a lot of rumors flying around about the draft. No one really knows for sure if and when it will be put into effect.

Listen up, PA. I've gone out of my way to not insult you or your political affiliation. So it pains me to see that you aren't granting me the same respect by saying stupid shit like "And you say I am blind through the media," which I NEVER F*CKING SAID by the way. Just because I'm liberal doesn't mean you can lump me together with everyone who publicly eviscerates you in every single debate thread.

Oh, and another thing... the 43 years this "bill" has been "floating" in Congress. Yeah. Vietnam. No f*cking shit. It's not the bill's presence that's worrying, it's the fact that it might be REINSTATED because WE'RE AT "WAR" that's pissing people off. The media? Please.

And it's nice to see that you're not worried in the least. If you were legal age, I'm sure you would be singing a different tune all together. Another speculation about the draft is that it will start with oldest ages and work it's way down. Wouldn't that suck for you? Sure, it probably won't pass. But for your sake, I hope it does. I hope it passes so you can get thrown into the desert and fight for this war you're so in love with.

Before now, I felt sorry for you. It's not fair that you have to bear brunt of everyone on the forum with a vendetta against you. But you know what? F*ck off. It took me a while, but I can finally see why everyone here gets pissed at you so often.

EDIT: That was actually a little too harsh. Sorry-ish. But I still stand by my argument.

Shell Man · #23 06-23-2004, 03:39 PM

Yeah, PA, you're seriously missing the point. It doesn't matter if it's been around forever, it's the fact that it might be used to get the youth of America to participate in a highly controversial war. It doesn't take any "hype" to be pissed off about something that is unjust. Oh, wait, so my child has been drafted into a war he/she doesn't believe in, to put his/her life in danger when he/she could be getting an education for a promising career back home, but it's not that big a deal because it's 'hyped'? There's nothing hyped about this EXEPT for the urgency to win this pointless 'war on terror.' The ONLY thing that ever comes out of Bush's mouth is hype!

Statikk HDM · #24 06-24-2004, 06:09 AM

PA, in the esteemed words of Samuel L. Jackson SHUT THE **** UP! or at least chill out. You know whats really frightening? Top officials in the Admin have been saying that they expect the war in Iraq to go on for years, most notably Paul Wolfowitz. Just think about this scenario: 200 Billion a year and a thousand soldiers killed with thousands upon thousands injured and maimed, not to mention the death tolls against civilians. Is that the America you want to live in? Vote Bush...OUT!

paramiteabe · #25 06-24-2004, 09:32 AM

Look we can go on and on about this but its not going to get us anywhere. Its stupid and I know that I dident make it better eather. The United States is seriously divided. And its divided for the stupidest reason and that is because the palitical nonsense. This is a war I don't want but when we are threatened I can't help but say that we need to stand our ground. I can't watch my country be over taken by terror and that is why I support this war on terror.

I mean I believe the whole world has the potential of doing good but we need to wake up and see what is wrong and deal with the problem not ignor it.

Its time we as the people stop hateing each other because one may be libral or the other may be conservative. We need to be one and and bring the true enamy to justice and that is terror. We as a nation are divided and we used to never be like this but now we are and that needs to change.

oddguy · #26 06-24-2004, 10:09 AM

I supported the war in Afghanistan against the Taliban and Usama Bin Laden. That was justified. However, the war in Iraq has caused more harm than good. America is in much more danger now than before we invaded Iraq...and that is the truth. Plus, Bush made a Taliban/Iraq connection that the 9/11 commission has found to be non-existent. I don't want to re-elect a president who mislead the country for war, and has made our home an unsafe place to live.

-oddguy

Hobo · #27 06-24-2004, 10:12 AM

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I supported the war in Afghanistan against the Taliban and Usama Bin Laden.

It's Osama. Rince and repeat. Always Repeat.

oddguy · #28 06-24-2004, 10:20 AM

I thought it was Osama as well, but the news keeps changing it back and forth between Usama and Osama. I guess it's a matter of preference.

-oddguy

paramiteabe · #29 06-24-2004, 05:26 PM

But do you understand that its not just Al-Quida, its all terrorist groups and all who support terror? Thats what I am trying to say here and why I disagree with a lot of you guy's views. Saddam had the capability of building WMD. Infact he used it many times on his own people. Infact Russia is now comming out and saying Saddam did infact support Al-Quida. If we never went into Iraq and Saddam was still in power, he would have created nukes and would attack us eventually. But we prevented it from happening. We never found stockpiles of WMD in Iraq but for unknown reasons now we all of a sudden are starting to find pieces and parts of WMD scattered in neighboring countries. Now just maybe do you think that secretly Iraq or Saddam was takeing apart his weapons program and hideing parts of it in neighboring countries, and that he was doing this during the inspections? If this is the case and what I am saying is actually true then we really have been miss informed.

oddguy · #30 06-24-2004, 06:40 PM

Saddam needed to be taken care of. I just don't like the way Bush went about doing it. He didn't get the support of the U.N. and pissed off more people than he needed. We aren't safer because Saddam is gone. We are in more danger because of how Bush handled it. It could have been done another way, but Bush was too impatient to even finish finding Osama(or Usama)! Bush has had his chance it office, and he's screwed up. It's time someone else had a chance. I don't particularly like Kerry, but I'll give him a shot.

-oddguy