An American beheaded in Iraq!

paramiteabe · #1 05-12-2004, 02:35 AM

When does the madness end? I saw this story on MSN and it pisses me off.

Whats your opinion on this story?

BAGHDAD, Iraq - An American civilian who was beheaded in a grisly video posted on an al-Qaida-linked Web site had been warned to leave Iraq but refused, U.S. officials said Wednesday. The masked men who butchered him claimed they were angered by coalition abuses of Iraqi prisoners.

After pushing Berg to the floor, the men severed his head and held it up for the camera on the video posted Tuesday. It bore the title “Abu Musab al-Zarqawi shown slaughtering an American,” referring to an associate of Osama bin Laden believed behind a wave of suicide bombings in Iraq.

***Alcar*** · #2 05-12-2004, 02:49 AM

Again, could we not expect this? It's probably going and and has happened a lot more than we know. It saddens me, as much as the abuse the Iraqi prisoners recieved. Being truly sadistic, one could say it is sweet revenge. But such revenge shouldn't have happened, especially to someone who appears to be an innocent. Then again, the majority of Iraqi prisoners could be classified as innocent.

I'll be surprised if we don't have idiots complaining about the loss of an American, as being more important, than the loss of an Iraqi.

Alcar...

paramiteabe · #3 05-12-2004, 03:54 AM

They were chanting God is great when they were cutting the head off. Christians and Jews a like being slaughtered for their belief. And you compare that to the abuse of the Iraqi civilians, which is no where near to this. Then they have the nerve to hold the head up to the camera and say "God is great!"

There is a destinct culture difference between us and them. It sickens me, and its just outragious. Nobody seems to be outraged except for us. Mark my word if these monsters get their hands on biological weapons then its only the beginning.

I can see it now the Librals are going to be saying "well we raped those Iraqi Civilians! Lets talk to them because we want peace!" Its a big joke with the Librals.

Esus · #4 05-12-2004, 03:59 AM

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Mark my word if these monsters get their hands on biological weapons then its only the beginning.

Thank Gord for that... get rid of the christians asap.

paramiteabe · #5 05-12-2004, 04:03 AM

Gord? Well since your an enamy to us Westerners, when you attack us again ill be sure to target you in a tank.

paramiteabe · #6 05-12-2004, 04:17 AM

I am so happy you think this is a big Joke!

Statikk HDM · #7 05-12-2004, 04:59 AM

Whoa there, Paramiteabe, don't be so quick to give the U.S. a free pass. 14 confirmed "prisoners" died at the hands of incompetent U.S. soldiers and wardens. Hundreds more were tortured and abused. 14-1 when it comes to the amount the U.S. has killed its hostages and hundreds tortured vs. one person. I'm not an apologist for the actions of the Iraqis, but it was clearly a case of revenge over the treatment of prisoners. Maybe if Bush and his underlings didn't try to make new ways to break the Geneva Convention daily Nick Berg would still have his head.

Hobo · #8 05-12-2004, 05:00 AM

PA. Shutup. 1 American Beheaded. Oh no.

I don't see individual threads for every single Iraqi that was died tortured or beheaded.

A life is still a life.

Fez · #9 05-12-2004, 06:52 AM

Well, I just cant wait to see how Bush reacts about this.

Statikk HDM · #10 05-12-2004, 07:46 AM

He'll just add more fuel to the fire by bringing out his soundbites and catchphrases. He was killed by "evil Iraqi insurgents" because they "hate our freedoms." Bonus squirts of gasoline on the retalitory flames if he uses the phrase "Crusade."

oddguy · #11 05-12-2004, 08:21 AM

I knew something like this was going to happen...and I expect more things like this to come. I hold the troops that tortured Iraqi civilians responsible for causing this shockwave of evil.

-oddguy

EDIT: Of course the ones who beheaded the man should be responsible too.

VaniLLaKiLLah · #12 05-12-2004, 08:35 AM

i can't see anything funny in that.
i think big grinning smileys shouldn't go here.

that's a very terrible story. but everybody could expect something like that, at least i did.

.:VaniLLaKiLLah:.

Fuzzles! · #13 05-12-2004, 09:27 AM

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Again, could we not expect this? It's probably going and and has happened a lot more than we know. It saddens me, as much as the abuse the Iraqi prisoners recieved. Being truly sadistic, one could say it is sweet revenge. But such revenge shouldn't have happened, especially to someone who appears to be an innocent. Then again, the majority of Iraqi prisoners could be classified as innocent.

I'll be surprised if we don't have idiots complaining about the loss of an American, as being more important, than the loss of an Iraqi.

Alcar...

Alcar, this is exactly the attitude I'm getting from most of my American friends. Not all, but most.

I think they are both awful events...and the funny thing is alot of the people are outraged about this because they don't think one was caused by the other, they feel the Iraqi's were just looking for an excuse. I disagree.

oddguy · #14 05-12-2004, 01:05 PM

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I'll be surprised if we don't have idiots complaining about the loss of an American, as being more important, than the loss of an Iraqi.

Alcar...

I saw some idiot on FoxNews saying that we didn't kill anyone in our custody, so that this event is worse. Bah!

-oddguy

SeaRex · #15 05-12-2004, 01:10 PM

Even though Berg knew the risks when he went to Iraq, I still feel really sorry for the guy. Call me a pussy, but being beheaded on Iraqi television wouldn't exactly be my cup of tea. I mean, that sucks... totally.

Poor guy.

Joe the Intern · #16 05-12-2004, 01:30 PM

Jesus PA... You're judging an entire culture on the acts of a few guys? Arabs don't want to kill everything they see.

Anyway, this is hellish. They described what is on the tape on national news. That's wrong from every fair and balanced angle. "Once he had stated his name and information about himself, one of the terrorists pulled out a knife and started to behead him, trying to suppress his gurgling screams, while shouting 'God is great.'" God, that probably sickened me more than anything.

Abe's son · #17 05-12-2004, 02:11 PM

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PA. Shutup. 1 American Beheaded. Oh no.

I don't see individual threads for every single Iraqi that was died tortured or beheaded.

A life is still a life.

Exactly.

I'm american and I could give less of a shit...

Majic · #18 05-12-2004, 02:33 PM

You guys should ignore nationalities for a second. A guy is beheaded on public television. Nobody deserves that.

SeaRex · #19 05-12-2004, 02:43 PM

Majic, thank you.

Codek · #20 05-12-2004, 04:46 PM

The guy was NOT beheaded on public television, he was just filmed as they beheaded him, then put the footage on a website. And it's disgusting footage at that.

America does NOT need to make a big fuss about the fact that they killed one American. What America needs to do is listen to the Iraqis and stop fucking torturing/shaming the prisoners.

There are over 600 dead American soldiers now, and it will be typical of America if they make a massive fuss over this single one. America has created its own disaster with this war - 2000 or so died in 9/11, and so far forces in league with Saddam have accomplished a death toll one quarter of the twin towers collapse. And I don't like to put 9/11 and Saddam in the same setence, but it has to be noted that it is getting to a point now where the losses are beginning to look similar.

Removing nationality or sides from the picture now, and just identifying loss of life as a result of war in Iraq, it probably now goes way over the loss of life on 9/11. The reason it is not sensationalised by the press is because the lives were taken one by one, not all at once. This is for some reason considered less of a tragedy.

Go figure.

But the probability is, America will ignore the requests of the Iraqi extremists, because they will be drowned out by Americas zealously patriotic feelings of anger at the death of the single American.

Majic · #21 05-12-2004, 05:15 PM

So Death, are you assuming that the American public is so full of itself that it'd be blinded by patriotic anger towards Iraqi extremist requests? What the ****? Do you comprehend that the American public is just as outraged, if not more, at the horrible actions some of our soliders did? Sure, we're made that a tape was made of an American volunteer being beheaded, but the torutre of prisoners is still a headlining event. There are some here that are overly-patriotic, there are some that are ignorant, there are some that are agressive. But most are regular people, with a standard of values and morals just like the rest of the world.

paramiteabe · #22 05-13-2004, 01:16 AM

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PA. Shutup. 1 American Beheaded. Oh no.

I don't see individual threads for every single Iraqi that was died tortured or beheaded.

A life is still a life.

Well unlike you I respect life and well I really don't care wether its one life or many I still respect life and this was peer evil. These guys are monsters.

It doesn't matter what nation your from if you killed someone its still wrong.
I never praised what those soldiers did but, those Alcida Terrorist are even worse.

***Alcar*** · #23 05-13-2004, 02:47 AM

Are al Quada really the enemies? How do you know? All you've got as proof is propaganda feed to you by the government and media. Think for yourself. Don't believe everything you're told. If I told you the sky was green, would you believe me? If I got the media to claim the sky was green, would you believe them? No. Of course not. You can see that the sky is clearly blue. But you can't see what is really happening in Iraq (etc). We rely on what we are feed, and what we are feed is indeed filtered.

In truth, there are no good guys in this dispute. I can only see more pain, which I believe will hit more countries soon. More than likely my own, in times to come. And who knows, seeing as I'm in the central of Sydney five days of the week, and take public transport to get around, that I'll end up a victim. It's a daunting thought each time you board a train, proof in the fact that I actually pick the carriage least likely to tip over in an explosion.

Alcar...

paramiteabe · #24 05-13-2004, 02:59 AM

What truth? They hate us thus they are the enamy.

Teal · #25 05-13-2004, 03:18 AM

PA - what Alcar was trying to say was that you only know what your Government (well, and the media, but you know what I mean) decides to tell you. It's called propaganda. During the two World Wars, not ALL Germans were murdering evil Jew-hating scum out to wipe all human life off the planet, but they was how they were often portrayed, as it was a war. Mr Bush wouldn't get very far if he said "well, yes, most al Quaeda (DAMMIT! can't spell it) don't like Americans but they're not ALL out to kill all of us..."
Yes, I know, the whole principle of al Quaeda is anti-American, and that society itself is very concerned with destroying (financially or emotionally or otherwise) America - but you can't blanket-bomb and say they're ALL evil. Some might have been misled into believing what they're doing is right just the same as most Westerners have been convinced they are the absolute enemy.

I'm not denying that al Quaeda themselves are the enemy. Just that you only know from what you're told. To use Alcar's example - yes, you know the sky is blue, you've seen it. If you'd never seen the sky, he could very easily convince you it's green by showing you a few photographs with green sky (and without using computers, he could use photographs of the sky before thunderstorms).

To get back on topic:

Any death is to be mourned. The shock value of this one is all that makes it different to the thousands that have been killed in Iraq since the end of the war. I suppose "American civilian brutally murdered by Arab scum!" makes a better headline for Bush's purposes than "Nineteen more Iraqi civillians killed in dispute with American soldiers".

***Alcar*** · #26 05-13-2004, 03:20 AM

What truth? The truth of what is really happening in Iraq. What really set it all off. I don't believe they are doing this for no reason. The beheading was simply an act of revenge, for what was being done to their own people by the hands of America.

"They hate us thus they are the enamy." is extremely childish. You don't have an obligation to make enemies of those that hate you. I'm sure people have hated me, but that doesn't mean I make enemies out of them. I'm more mature than that. I realise the problem lies with them, not I.

A man was beheaded. I empathise with his family, and feel sorrow. But I do exactly the same for an Iraqi. WE ARE ALL THE SAME. And to judge another's life less worthy than another, you defy God, and relieve him of his devine judgement.

Alcar...

Statikk HDM · #27 05-13-2004, 04:49 AM

There you go again, PA. THEY. What the hell does that mean? You're stereotyping an entire nation. Also, why do you think some Iraqis hate the U.S.? Its because they know that this war is a bullshit war, based on lies and fear-mongering, and that all it did was manage to get more than 11,000 people killed for not one good reason! Don't you think you'd have a little hatred in you if people were being shot during peaceful protests and your entire city was being bombed based on the suspected whereabouts of terrorists that you have no ****ing ties to at all? Or if people went through your city and snatched people at random to torture them physically and psychologically, possibly to the point of severe emotional scarring, maiming, or death? The people of Iraq were not our enemies, but we've given them many reasons to become our enemies.

Esus · #28 05-13-2004, 04:56 AM

I seriously can't believe PA was 22. If he didn't have an age up, and after reading every single one of his posts, I would believe him to be <13. Anywho, that's irrelevant.

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PA. Shutup. 1 American Beheaded. Oh no.

Exactly. I really, really hope they don't make a martyr out of this guy.

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Well unlike you I respect life and well I really don't care wether its one life or many I still respect life and this was peer evil. These guys are monsters.

1. The definition of respecting life is not feeling sorry for one person dying.
2. You have implied in many of your political posts that you would like to kill al Quieda terrorists... that contradicts what I quoted.... tsk tsk.

Just remembered what I actually wanted to quote... nitpicking again.

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Do you comprehend that the American public is just as outraged, if not more, at the horrible actions some of our soliders did?

Don't be generalising an entire nation now, will you?

However, I agree with this:

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You guys should ignore nationalities for a second. A guy is beheaded on public television. Nobody deserves that.

very good point.

Hobo · #29 05-13-2004, 05:04 AM

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You guys should ignore nationalities for a second. A guy is beheaded on public television. Nobody deserves that.

That was what i was trying to say, sure they did it on international television, and it's definatly not a positive thing, but does it matter what race they are or televised or not, think about how many innocent arabs have lost their lives, these people were other people's friends, children and brothers.

Yet I don't see a thread for each one of them.

Answer: The american government are turning one soldiers death into propoganda to allow them to kill even more arabs. One life for hundreds? That just isn't fare. This isn't a war. It's Genocide.

Codek · #30 05-13-2004, 05:22 AM

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So Death, are you assuming that the American public is so full of itself that it'd be blinded by patriotic anger towards Iraqi extremist requests? What the ****? Do you comprehend that the American public is just as outraged, if not more, at the horrible actions some of our soliders did? Sure, we're made that a tape was made of an American volunteer being beheaded, but the torutre of prisoners is still a headlining event. There are some here that are overly-patriotic, there are some that are ignorant, there are some that are agressive. But most are regular people, with a standard of values and morals just like the rest of the world.

This proves my point. You haven't listened to a word I said.

America, unfortunately, doesn't pay attention to stuff like this - like you, they're too proud and patriotic and give defending nationality "attacks" a higher priority than anything else. It's all excuse excuse excuse. You've not even taken on board the fact that if America continues to humiliate the Iraqi prisoners, more Americans will be captured and killed.

I make no assumptions when I say that it is most likely these Iraqis will be ignored. Watching the news and reading the papers, it is plain to see that all that is being talked about is how appauling the death of this one American is. George Bush doesn't seem interested in anything else other than killing the extremists - he doesn't care about the Iraqi prisoners, they aren't on his agenda, since it's what the public wants.

I can't help but think of that as wrong. If someone took Americans away and started humiliating them in their prisons, American extremists would probably start doing the same. American extremists apparantly being the entire fucking population.