Lucifer

Joshy · #1 08-10-2003, 04:58 AM

Is lucifer the name of Satan? If it is how did people knew his name? is it recorded in the bible that the name of Satan is lucifer? Would Satan name himself in English? Why would Satan even want a name?

Mac the Janitor · #2 08-10-2003, 05:29 AM

Interesting questions, but please, we already have more than enough religion-based threads.

GrigtheSlig · #3 08-10-2003, 05:36 AM

Yes it is, he has alot of names...Lusifer,Satan,Son of the Morning etc. I don't know, probably from revalation. I don't know...I can't answer all of your q's cause I don't really know Satan.

Jacob · #4 08-10-2003, 03:49 PM

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Yes it is, he has alot of names

No, he doesn't.

Lucifer, Satan, Beezlebub are all referred to as the same Angels/Demons but they're not.

Beezlebub - Prince of Demons

Lucifer - King of Hell

Satan - Head of the Kingdom of Evil

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is it recorded in the bible that the name of Satan is lucifer?

Satan and Lucifer are recorded in random scriptures...

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Would Satan name himself in English? Why would Satan even want a name?

God named him apparently. It was said that Satan was created on the sixth day.

GrigtheSlig · #5 08-10-2003, 04:08 PM

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It was said that Satan was created on the sixth day.

Where does it say that? You confuse me!

Jacob · #6 08-10-2003, 04:24 PM

On that website i linked people to, gives profiles of all the different Demons and Fallen Angels.

GrigtheSlig · #7 08-10-2003, 04:26 PM

Well, if you'll believe the website that you go to, how do you know that it's right? I mean, the BIBLE has been around longer and there's some evidence of the BIBLE and you don't believe it, but you'll go and believe a website?

Jacob · #8 08-10-2003, 05:31 PM

The website gets its sources of all the Demons and Fallen Angels from random texts. From the Bible to other religious books, they then translate them and decipher the meanings and post them up in English.

SeaRex · #9 08-10-2003, 06:40 PM

Grig, for the love of God (no pun intended), stop putting the word "bible" in all caps.

Lucifer only became Satan after all of the "unpleasentness" in heaven. Before that he was a patron angel of light and morning.
I've got no idea what the difference between Satan and Beezlebub is... all I know is that "Beezlebub" is greek for Lord of the Flies (Heh. Go literature!). My guess is that "Satan" was just an english translation.

Of course, I could once again be completely wrong and totally misguided... but I'll take my chances.

oddguy · #10 08-10-2003, 07:50 PM

Ummm.....I guess religion threads are "in"! They should all be merged! MERGED!!!!!!!!!!

GrigtheSlig · #11 08-10-2003, 08:01 PM

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Originally posted by SeaRex
Grig, for the love of God (no pun intended), stop putting the word "bible" in all caps.

WHY? I like putting the word BIBLE in all CAPS!

Jacob · #12 08-10-2003, 09:15 PM

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Lucifer only became Satan after all of the "unpleasentness" in heaven. Before that he was a patron angel of light and morning.

As far as i was aware he was always called Satanel (or Satanail) and that when he got discarded from Heaven it was shortened to Satan. He basically did what Lucifer did though, which was oppose God.

GrigtheSlig · #13 08-10-2003, 09:33 PM

They're the same person!

Jacob · #14 08-10-2003, 10:48 PM

Grig, i just explained how they weren't the same Angel.

GrigtheSlig · #15 08-11-2003, 12:10 AM

Well, I dissagree!

paramiteabe · #16 08-11-2003, 02:47 AM

Lucifer is the Devil, Satan, Hatie, Prince of darkness, The deciever, etc. All of these refer to the same being. Read the book of Jobe and it talks about the war in heven and it even mentions dinosaurs.

Abe's son · #17 08-11-2003, 03:07 AM

If I remember correctly the Cthulhu was worshiped as satan or Beezlebub in "Call Of the Cthulhu" and made human sacrafice's to him. I can't quite remember but I just thought you should know that...

GrigtheSlig · #18 08-11-2003, 05:01 AM

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Originally posted by paramiteabe
Lucifer is the Devil, Satan, Hatie, Prince of darkness, The deciever, etc. All of these refer to the same being. Read the book of Jobe and it talks about the war in heven and it even mentions dinosaurs.

Yeah, they aren't 20 different people! Paramiteabe rocks!

Jacob · #19 08-11-2003, 03:56 PM

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Lucifer is the Devil, Satan, Hatie, Prince of darkness, The deciever, etc. All of these refer to the same being. Read the book of Jobe

O-M-G!! What is it with you American Bible-breeders!?! The Book of Jobe was only part of the many scriptures wrote about the Bible...one of many scriptures wrote about the battle of Hell, the Garden of Eden and Lucifer, Satan and Beezlebub!!

Do i have to link you to the website were i got this information from!?!

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Yeah, they aren't 20 different people! Paramiteabe rocks!

I never said they were 20 different Angels. I said that Satan and Lucifer were seperate beings. And PA may rock to you but he still hasn't answered my amazing statement which is just the pinnacle of rudeness

paramiteabe · #20 08-11-2003, 05:08 PM

Look Jacob I don't need to answer your great statements because one you will always find something wrong with my answer so why should I even bother with it, and two what do you think is the answer to your question? If you seem to know what it is and want me to explane it and then shoot me down in saying I am wrong and stuff then no I am not giveing an answer thankyou very much.

Jacob · #21 08-11-2003, 06:24 PM

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you will always find something wrong with my answer

My statement isn't about you answering it so i can dissect it, its an actual question...and one that is now posed to all religious people...

I feel sorry for Teenagers like you PA. Even though you're 21, i still class you as a young person. And your Soul being "prepared" just means you have lived your life as boring as possible. Most of the Sins are outdated, and your basing your life upon rules that were set over a millenia ago...your Soul may be prepared, but are you ready to die? You're hoping that when your life ends, you will go to Gods light and feel the joys of everything you ever missed out on...but thats just a assumption...thats faith...and if that doesn't happen...you're gonna be pretty f*cked off at yourself and jealous of all the other people whom you thought would go to Hell, but are in the afterlife having a good time yet again...

It was mainly directed at PA, because he said the thing i was answering to...but now i want all religious people to reply to the statement

GrigtheSlig · #22 08-11-2003, 07:07 PM

Or...while we are eternally happy that we are able to be in the presence of GOD, you'll be in hell with all your other screwed up friends!

***Wil*** · #23 08-11-2003, 07:26 PM

Nice to know we can still resort to personal attacks in these religious threads...yes, all of them. Brings back some good ol' scents from the Oddworld Forums of many months gone...

Also nice to know God is so loving as to put his children in such a nice place after we all suffered in this realm, too. I've just to see any proof or even remotely satisfying evidence put forward by any of the Christian-supporters regarding why homosexuality is wrong. Whoops, wrong topic. Whoops, it doesn't matter, the Godly bum chums turn it all into the same thing anyway.

EDIT: Almost forgot, Chris I'd love to have a look at this website of yours. PM the address to me if you want.

GrigtheSlig · #24 08-11-2003, 07:33 PM

Oh yeah, sorry if I offened anyone!

Jacob · #25 08-11-2003, 11:50 PM

Max - Seamens grotto

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Or...while we are eternally happy that we are able to be in the presence of GOD, you'll be in hell with all your other screwed up friends!

You seem to be missing the point, child. I was saying what if you're wrong? What if there is no "one true God" and you live your entire life dictated by this small book, claiming to be Gods word? What if when you die you believe you will be rewarded and the "sinners" punished. But when you reach your destination...you realise the "sinners" who were living their life to the full, having fun and not sticking to any AC guidelines are there...in the afterlife with you...having fun...for the second time in their lifetime...won't you feel your life has been wasted?

Its all very well having faith and believing in God but why should it have to hinder your life? Drinking to get ratarsed is a sin. Sex before marriage is a sin. Experimenting with your sexuality is a sin. Idolising something other than God is a sin. There are so many sins out there that make up a truely happy life and you're gonna throw it all away on the off chance that you'll be rewarded? On the off chance that your fulfilments will be met in full when you go to "Heaven"? On the chance that you are proved correct? So far all Mediums whom have been proven to be true in what they say haven't mentioned anything about Heaven, and yet you're gonna hinder your already short life by listening to a book that doesn't give substantial proof of its claims?

Why don't you have fun and shtuffs, do all of the sins and when you're about to die, confess, pray your sins away and thus be cleansed before you die...? That way, you've had fun...and also, if there is a Heaven, you're in the clear.

Mac the Janitor · #26 08-12-2003, 12:02 AM

I completely agree with you Jacob.

But don't even try to convince Grig...he'll most likely say:

"But that's what makes us special, we have FAITHHH in GODDDD!!!"

Sekto Springs · #27 08-12-2003, 12:07 AM

well jake if you are going to hell with your screwed up friends like grig says i'll most likely meet you there.

Abe's son · #28 08-12-2003, 12:11 AM

...I think Jacob just converted me...I feel violated...

Sekto Springs · #29 08-12-2003, 12:12 AM

if it was done by jacob you shouldn't feel bad, atleast it was an expert

MrBoj · #30 08-12-2003, 01:14 AM

so would Lucifer, Satan, Beelzebub all be refered to as "devils"? How would Lucifer differentiate from Satan with regards to position? All three are fallen angels.....I guess what I am trying to ask is who is the one supreme evil here? Or are they all equal is evilness?