A solution to the problems on Oddworld!

[paramiteabe]

Well I was thinking that we now know about Vykkers Labs right. I bet those crazy Vykker Scientists have genetic egineering right. You know how Oddworld is being depleated by the magog cartel right. So maybe the Mudokins can take over the labs and become smart and start to clone all the extinct wildlife and races and bring Oddworld back to the way it once was. I mean it is a lab why not. and they can exploit Glukkens and Vykkers and all the other enemys of Oddworld. Hey what comes around goes around! It's all in the name of profit. Am I right! hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! fart! opps sorry!

[Xavier]

Muds are the masters!!!!
You have a lot of good idees, mayby see we it in the follow games...

[SeaRex]

oooh... Sweet revenge! I'd like to see that!

[Wil]

Although possible, your plan lacks somewhat in one place - the Mudokons are not trying to become the masters of the Glukkons. In fact they are trying their hardest not to do that. That would be easy. They could do that.

But what they must do is not that, but work through, gradually changing the balance of power and find a 'middle way'. One where the Glukkons are not haunted by their humiliating past, but can produce good produce at no expence to the land for the Khanzumerz, wher the Vykkers can carry their experiments taking into consideration the Fuzzles' rights, and the Mudokons can live once more their peaceful ways, maybe even helped by the other races.

To simply rule over would not be an end to the conflict.

[Sl'askia]

recreate extinct species? Hmm...that sounds very similar to what happened in one of my fics...{Warning: Incoming Shameless Fic Advertisement} it was 'The Twelve' I believe...

[ November 21, 2001: Message edited by: Dragadon ]

[Danny]

"Sweet Revenge" is, after all, what the Glukkons had, and THAT certainly turned Oddworld into a better place, didn't it...?

A question: What are the Khanzumerz? I know they are Consumers, but there must be something more to it than that, since Consumers have no purpose in society. The only way I can think of that they can simply consume goods without having to do anything else is if they rule Mudos...

[Wil]

The Khanzumerz are every bit an important aspect of society as our consumers are. In fact, they are the most important creatures on Oddworld. They are the lazy people who purchase all the Vykkers products and Glukkon stock. Even though sales are made to anyone and everyone, without the Khanzumerz, there'd be hardly anyone left to represent the upper-class rich bigwigs who lavish themselves with the latest technological enhancements and addictive delicacies.

They are the only 'bad' species on Oddworld.

[Danny]

So they're the Upper-Class of Mudos, then? I wouldn't exactly call them 'important', if all they do is consume, without producing... After all, in our society, Producers and Consumers are one and the same, but if Consumers did nothing but buy products, they would be a useless drain on society...

[oddguy 999]

I to have thought long and hard about the delemer that the Khanzumerz put forth.
How in Odds name are they sposes to be able to pay for all the junk they buy?... The only answer that I can think of is that they excreat some sort of valuable substance, a bit like honey or milk, that Glukons and Vykkers can't get anuff of (it gives a hole new meanning to the frase a** kissing Glukons)...
More then that perhapes its a addictive substance like a drug. Not only that but more of it comes out of 'em when they're happy... So all industral speices are slaves to Khanzumerz pleasure.
Perhapse the substance is moolla (spelling?) its self, after all we have never seen anyone with a hand full of moolla...

... Just a thought.

[ November 22, 2001: Message edited by: oddguy 999 ]

[Steve]

Khanzumerz probbably have a short lifespan anyway because almost all vykker products seem to kill the users and they would probably make more mollah if they had repeat costomers and if they're going to die anyway why not make it less/more painful.

[Eibu]

Why can't they just be "regular people"? (since we are talking about Oddworld you know what I mean)

I think you all are confusing the Magog Cartel as being the only "job" source on the planet...granted they are the big business but not everybody on Earth works for Microsoft or Ford. We've been told there are whole cities we still haven't been exposed to yet so why can't people there own and operate little grocery stores or their could be law firms...the list goes on of business'.

And consumers could also be considered other Glukkons and Sligs or even Vykkers. They ALL don't run and operate the same business' and as greedy as they are I highly doubt they gladly share their products amongst themselves. I mean they make their sercurity buy their own weapons!

What I'm getting at is that i'm sure the "consumers" of Oddworld just don't sit on their butts and do nothing but consume. Hell maybe we'll never see these consumers...it's just a game and a story and maybe we the audience should just accept that someone is buying their stuff and not question it too much.

Ah well, keep cool

[Danny]

That's what I thought, Eibu, but unfortunately OW seems to have taken the unusual step of making Khanzumerz a separate species, which means that they are NOT other Glukkons, Sligs, Vykkers, Mudokons, etc.

We know the Magog Cartel are not the only business on OW, but they are the main business on Mudos. On Mudos, practically everything is owned by the major corporations, such as the Magog Cartel and the Vykkers Conglomerate. Mudos isn't like anywhere on earth...

So yes, the Khanzumerz DO just effectively 'sit on their butts' all day, consuming...

[Eibu]

Huh? Khanzumers are real? Where has this been said?

Odd...btw I'm not trying to be argumentative I would just like to be informed

Also i tend to think more towards up until now we've never seen the "consumers" and should just believe that "someone" is buying the stuff (like us the gamers...).

So it's just an ambiguous part of the story. I don't know if I'm just older than most of you (i'm sorry I don't know your ages, I'm 18) or if it's the Asian culture in me but I tend to be more readily accepting of the unknown or things which aren't explained outright and aren't meant to be. I often see many people on these boards coming up with elaborate and sometimes fantastic explanations for things I just always accepted.
I consider myself sort of a writer as well and know sometimes you have to have faith in the observers will suspend their beliefs and get the heart of the story.

Wow I just kept babbling this time, sorry guys! Peace

[Danny]

I am 16, but I also suspend my disbelief on things like this. After all, it's only a game. My last post wasn't the kind of analysis and postulation that you were talking about, as you seem to think; I was merely informing you of what we already know. As for things that haven't yet been revealed, I tend to take a wait-and-see attitude...

But basically, if Max tells you something about OW, you believe him... He must have a source for all his information, although we have yet to discover it...

[Steve]

I like making up explanations for things whenever there isn't one thats probably because I have to much free time also it really bugs me when there are huge gaps in a story.

[Eibu]

Originally posted by Steve:
...it really bugs me when there are huge gaps in a story.

Case and point...

Also Rettick-san, I wasn't inferring anything from your post I just wanted to know more about these "Khansumerz"... Oddworld just keeps getting more and more odd. Things like a single queen for EVERY SPECIES tend to bug me at first but then I get used to it. Now a race who's sole purpous is to buy stuff, hmm.

[Danny]

ok, sorry I misinterpreted you...

The Super-species thing seemed a bit odd, but never really bothered me, since it all makes sense. The Khanzumerz thing makes kinda sense to me now that I think of them as the "Upper Classes", as it were.

Actually, the only thing that really bothers me now is Spooce, which seems a bit of a bad idea to me. OW used to seem like more than just a computer game, it seemed like a real world, and the computer games were merely set there. It seemed like OW had a life outside the games, if you know what I mean, but certain things in MO have brought home the fact that it is just a game. The way you can turn ordinary muds into Warriors just by taking them to an Oracle-type thingy seems a bit game-ish, as well...

Sorry, I droned a bit there, and I'm not even sure what point I was trying to make...

[Steve]

I think I worded it wrong I meant contradictions in the storyline. and I also agree with spooce being bad.

[Eibu]

Well didn't OWI listen to the fans about the bees and bats? Hopefully they'll take that same que and get rid of the spooce next time. The more I learn about the "flaws" of Munch the more I think this is a rushed job, and while the game is probably a good one this isn't what was intended. (but I'll be happy as long as the FMV's are good )

and please no yelling about how they did it because of the money and how Sobe and Microsoft corrupted them...

Here's to Oddworld Munch's Exodduss!!

[Danny]

I liked the bees and bats...

[oddguy 999]

There are a few probems with your solution to the problems of Oddworld...
1) I dout that the Vykkers have quite prefectect genetic engernearing... Thats why their still always testing things.
2) I don't think that the Mudukons are smart anuff to do it them selfs... Not that they don't have the potental to be smart, it's just that they haven't exacty had a formal education or anything.
3) And the Vykker are to well gaurded to fall to the rath of the Mudukons... After all it takes most of a game for just Abe and Munch to get back on to the Vykkers air ship let alone a army.

Keep the ideas coming...

[Molluck]

Always listen to max!
NEVER EVER DOUBT HIM!
HE IS ALWAYS RIGHT!!!
Hmmmmm.....I remeber reading about this 'humiliating past' for the glukks but where!
Gawd i am wannin to do some research on it!
Where can I find it though! DAMN!!!!!!



DAMNIT!!!!!!!! Can anyone give me a link!!!!!

[oddite4456]

The mudokons can probably chant around something to bring back lost races.

[Xavier]

Originally posted by molluck:
Always listen to max!
NEVER EVER DOUBT HIM!
HE IS ALWAYS RIGHT!!!
Hmmmmm.....I remeber reading about this 'humiliating past' for the glukks but where!
Gawd i am wannin to do some research on it!
Where can I find it though! DAMN!!!!!!



DAMNIT!!!!!!!! Can anyone give me a link!!!!!

I have the text in my archives, here

A long time ago, the Glukkons and the Mudokons lived lives that would belie their future entanglement with one another. The Glukkons were not masters of
Mudokon slaves.

Buried in the mists of Oddworldian time - unknown even by modern Mudokons - is a memory of the Mudokons as they once were: a race of spiritual folk who
weren't necessarily averse to warfare. Not warlike themselves, they served as advisors.

The folk the Mudokons counseled and the not-necessarily-admirable stuff they did in that capacity will be revealed. We'll also learn just how this noble and
seemingly powerful race of creatures went from the upper echelons of Oddworldian culture down to the slaves used in Glukkon factories.

The Glukkons were at one time a very spiritual people. In fact, while the Mudokons were going through their Advisor Era, the Glukkons were going through
an era of their own: the Alchemy Era. Their belief system centered on the moon that orbited Oddworld; the face of the planet appeared to bear the mark of a
Mudokon's handprint. At the time, the Mudokons considered this a sign that they were the Chosen People. The Glukkons went to great lengths through their
alchemy to disprove this theory and prove that they - in fact - were the true chosen people. During the course of these experiments, a disaster of unknown type
occurred and almost wipped out the Glukkons.

In short, this accident set the wheels of fate into motion. The remaining Glukkons became "Enclosurists," not wanting to look up in the sky and be reminded
of the fact that they weren't the Chosen ones. As a result, they immediately began spending all their waking hours inside. Over the course of the many years that
ensued, their eyes became incapable of dealing with natural light. Further, they rejected their mystical heritage in favor of a colder, more scientific approach to
their problems. Lurking beneath their disbelief, though, is almost an inbred hatred of the Mudokons for their claim to divinity. This scientific approach, coupled
with nascent ill will for Mudokons eventually lead to the management approach that would have no problem enslaving Abe and all of his kind in the name of the
all mighty bottom line.

So that's the story so far. There are a couple of important things to keep in mind as the Oddworld story unfolds in the coming years, though.