The "Advised"

Danny · #1 07-12-2002, 11:50 PM

I've been reading through the text Xavier posted in this topic (http://www.oddworldforums.net/forums...&threadid=5476), and I have noticed something.

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As the mist shrouding Oddworld's past lifts - and it will lift over the course of the Quintology - the folk the Mudokons counseled and the not-necessarily-admirable stuff they did in that capacity will be revealed.

Now, I for one am surprised that nobody has yet picked up on this, since this text (or one similar) has been kicking around the forums for quite some time. Who were this mysterious race that the Mudokons advised in matters of war? What were they like? And Where are they now?

Now, my theory (concocted on the spot, so don't pick too many holes in it) goes like this:

This race (whom we shall refer to as Species X, because it sounds cool) were quite warlike, but lacked much tactical ability. The Mudokons, however, had some sound tactical minds in their service, but were reluctant to tarnish their Spiritual image. Therefore, they tended to operate through Species X. The deal was that the Mudokons helped Species X behind the scenes with the planning, as well as contributing a bit of handy magic here and there, and in return, Species X would (as it were) do the Mudokons' dirty work for them.

[At this time, the different culture on Mudos coexisted, but were quite separate.]

Now, for one reason or another, the Mudokons came to have a bit of a problem with the Glukkons. If the Pawprint was in existence then, then it could well be that the Mudokons were a bit worried about the Glukkons' alchemy. Whether the pawprint was there or not, the Mudokons may well have been worried that the Glukkons might discover through Alchemy some kind of power to rival the Mudokons' own magical powers. Anyway, for whatever reason, the Mudokons realised that the Glukkons needed to be put in their place. Either destroyed, or weakened sufficiently that they need not be a threat.

However, the Mudokons had a reputation throughout Mudos as a Spiritual people, and it would not do for them to be seen to be making unprovoked attacks on people. Species X, on the other hand, not only already had a fairly warlike reputation, but also possessed immense military strength. Even if some of the other intelligent races on Mudos did take issue with their attack, none of them would be likely to dare to actually say to them "Excuse me, but that's wrong", for fear of finding themselves on the recieving end of some of that might...

Then, when the Glukkons almost wiped themselves out by accident, the Mudokons seized their opportunity. Species X, aided (and encouraged) by the Mudokons, declared war on the Glukkons. The other intelligent races on Mudos wisely remained neutral, as the war at this point seemed a foregone conclusion - the Glukkons simply hadn't the power to withstand the awesome might of the armies of Species X, especially after "the incident".

However, at some point in the war, it became clear that the Mudokons had miscalculated. Due to the pressures of the war, the Glukkons stepped up their experiments. Even though the consequences of their previous attempts had been devastating, the Glukkons had no choice - they were going to be destroyed anyway. Their new-found technologies found their first uses on the battlefields - they began to fight back. As the Glukkons' industrial technology became more and more advanced, Species X found themselves being pushed back once more. Eventually, the Glukkons managed to force a surrender. In order to try and pass the blame, Species X revealed the Mudokons' place in the affair. The Glukkons were outraged, and declared war on the Mudokons as well, eventually leading to their enslavement. Species X were effectively wiped out during the course of the hostilities.

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There. Not bad considering I made it up as I went along. What do you think?

Of course, it is almost certainly entirely wrong, but it was fun to think about. Personally, I think that "Species X" are far more likely to be the Khanzumerz. What do you think? Who were the Mudokons "advising"?

Al the Vykker · #2 07-12-2002, 11:58 PM

Very interesting theory, if close to truth maybe the final character in the quintology would be a member of Species X and would have the knowledge of the true history of Oddowrld. just another thought. But also part of the time In this conflict with Species X the Glukkons would have to be in hiding, for some time to stay away from the light, as we have heard.

Kaimana · #3 07-13-2002, 01:28 AM

Very impressive theory Danny, i like it allot. Now wether it be wrong or right it does make a whole lot of sense, and is very interesting to ponder.

Mac the Janitor · #4 07-13-2002, 03:33 AM

A very good theory. That's one of the most sensible explanations I've heard on the past with the moon.

Danny · #5 07-13-2002, 08:37 AM

Doesn't anyone else have any theories about the "advised" race? I mean, there's probably miles of room for speculation on the idea that they might be Khanzumerz... Max, I'm talking to you here...

***Wil*** · #6 07-13-2002, 09:25 AM

What?? You talkin' to me??

*removes earphones*

Reading through your speculation, I found myself engrossed in the storyline. It's not often I find a good fan theory that does that. That alone has to be congratulated, so here goes...

Congratulations.

Species X sounds like it could be a very interesting race to meet sometime in the future. From the story you've given, I doubt that they would have grown up to be at the top of the food chain, it sounds to me rather like they're either extinct or have dwindled down to somethat that is hardly known about in Mudos. I love the idea of the Mudokons having a darker history than any of them could today imagine, and I can imagine Abe finding out and deciding what to do next, while the other heroes are all around him feeling kind of guilty or whatever. I would like to see this Species X, and I like the idea of Abe visiting them someday.

Now, with a slight alteration to your story, I can see how Species X could easily have developed into the Khanzumerz we know [of] today. Perhaps they didn't lose the battle with the Glukkons after all, perhaps they were going to win, but something made them change their mind. They sound like a rather shallow-minded people (just like I imagine the Khanzumerz), and I can see how they could have been tricked by the Glukkons to step down their attacks. But I think that it's more likely Species X turned against the Mudokons for some reason (feel free to speculate), and since they were the dominant race in Mudos (empire-wise), decided that the best way to upset the Mudokons was by giving the Glukkons a helping hand. In fact, I can see the Khanzumerz being the real catalyst for Mudos's Industrial Era, but perhaps not by desiring consumer goods, originally.

This would make Khanzumerz not only the most important family in Mudos in terms of Moolah, it would also mean they've got some kind of claim over the lands or the politics. While Mudos doesn't seem to have any governing body of sorts, this dominance would explain how the Khanzumerz have come to earn such a respect from their industrial friends. Perhaps the Khanzumerz are, to this day, a warlike species, although I don't think so. I do think they still have a grudge against the Mudokons, which would be why they are truely evil, and perhaps they still remember the days when they were 'natives', and want to put an end to all things native and natural in Mudos.

Well, that's just a few thoughts made up as I type along.

Kaimana · #7 07-13-2002, 03:06 PM

This theory makes for allot of speculation aswell as allot of sense. Like i said even if it may be wrong wich i dont think 100% that it is wrong it would still had made one heck of a theory.

Oddsville · #8 07-13-2002, 03:16 PM

These are great theorys, and they could quit possibly be pretty close to the truth. But sadly where gonna have to wait to find out.

Danny · #9 07-13-2002, 03:41 PM

How about:

The Mudokons were giving advice and assistance to the Khanzumerz. The Khanzumerz, however, began to become increasingly aggressive and warlike, until the Mudokons had a flash of conscience, and withdrew their support. In rage, the Khanzumerz turned against them, and enslaved them. The Glukkons had already been conquered at this point, as had the Sligs, and the two races were more or less integrated into Khanzumer Society (which later became what we know of industrial Mudos today), albeit lower down the pecking order.

That wasn't thought through, so it's just a basic idea, and not as exciting to read as the other one, but it's there, and it's possible...

TheKhanzumer · #10 07-13-2002, 04:00 PM

Blame the khanzumerz! Everyone always blames the khanzumerz! Prejudice!

Yeah, I bet we did something like that to get to the top. But we gotta feed our kids ya know? All powerful creatures like us need a lot of food to keep us going.

Kaimana · #11 07-13-2002, 06:35 PM

that is true Khanz. every ones gata eat.

***Xavier*** · #12 07-13-2002, 06:42 PM

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Originally posted by TheKhanzumer
Yeah, I bet we did something like that to get to the top. But we gotta feed our kids ya know? All powerful creatures like us need a lot of food to keep us going.

yeah, but I don't think you must do very much to get all that food,

Mac the Janitor · #13 07-13-2002, 06:47 PM

Maybe "Species X" could be Meeches or Kinto slaves, or possibly the creature that Xavier found in that magazine. Then they were outsmarted by the Glukkons (since Species X was not very tactical) and the Gluks took them in as slaves in a hidden location or wiped them all out.

***Xavier*** · #14 07-13-2002, 06:50 PM

I doubt meeches are "inteligent" so they can't be the "Species X"
And I don't think Kintos needed some advices, but it is possible

Mac the Janitor · #15 07-13-2002, 06:55 PM

So meeches are out of the picture and Kintos are a possibility.

What about the shell-headed species you found in an article? Do you think they could be Species X?

Steve · #16 07-13-2002, 06:58 PM

What about 0.2? They look like they could do some damage, but more likely destroying equipment than full war.

***Xavier*** · #17 07-13-2002, 06:58 PM

It can be...
it looks like it likes war (the weapon in his hand)
and it looks a bit native...

yeah can be, good relation

Mac the Janitor · #18 07-13-2002, 07:08 PM

What is 0.2? Is it that shell-headed one?

Oddsville · #19 07-13-2002, 10:41 PM

Nope 0.2 is a member of the Oddworld Maffia. Not to much is know about him, he could be the leader or just a hitman? But he is pretty big and he's a member of the Glukkon family. Im sure Max or Khanzumer can tell us more and Xavier can show you guys the pic seince Im to lazy to go find it, and mabye Kaimana can start a theory topic on the Oddworld Maffia?

...... just a suggestion.

Mac the Janitor · #20 07-13-2002, 10:47 PM

Ah...I see.

Is he the one on the Glocktigi pic on the far right with the buff arms & legs?

TheKhanzumer · #21 07-13-2002, 11:16 PM

Yes, "O.2" is the current name of one of the members of the octigi species (which includes glukkons, gloktigi and "0.1"). It is the largish one that is all dark and strong looking. Popular rumor suggest that they make up a mafia on oddworld.

Mac the Janitor · #22 07-13-2002, 11:50 PM

Yeah, I could definetly see him being a member of the Oddworld Mafia.

Thanks for the help, guys!

Kaimana · #23 07-14-2002, 12:41 AM

0.2 is most defenetly part of the maffia, and a impressive build for a glocktigi, assuming it maybe as intelligent as the glukkons they dont seem to be species X because they do not look as if they would harnest the power of a universal army as much the Glukkons do. Species X seems to be much of the same charecter as the khanzumers (no offense Khanz) and if anything they used there power of aggresion to over come most species and set up a hiearchy. It seems the most likely. Realating to 0.2, they may go about oddworld causing haveck, as much maffias do, or perhaps they believe in a turff, and may stick to staying in one spot and be cruel to all that enter it and are not welcome, or there may be several different groups of maffia that are consently at war with each other, wich in most cases happens. There are still many dark places of oddworld that have not been explored.

Jacob · #24 07-14-2002, 01:46 AM

Specie X was actually the Glukkon mafia. Again, i apologise in advance for spoiling everything for everyone.

Basically the Gluk Mafia was in league with the Mudokons. Allowing the Mudokons to plan and then the Mafia to attack (Who knows how...we shall find out later.) anyway, the war came up and the Glukkon Maf was battling away, kicking the crap out of the opposition...until one Alchemy Gluk said:

"But wait, your listening to them? We're your rightful people...come, join us. Come on."

And so they did, giving up on the Muds and thus not protecting them anymore. This allowed the Alchemy Gluks to move in and enslave them. However, whilst the GM was getting accustomed to their new enviroment and new 'friends' the AG's turned against them saying:

"But you killed more of our kind then i can possibly fathom. For this, you must be punished!!"

The Queen agree's with this and thus the killing of the GM begins. However, some of the GM get away, head towards the city and meet up later on. They then make a deal with a Queen and soon the GM has gathered up again. Of course, by this time the Gluks who were bothered by the whole Alchemy fiasco are either dead or senile and thus that is long forgotten. More and more Gluks are churned out, making the GM one of the powerfullest crime gangs throughout Mudos. Given time the GM then start to get wheedled in with other gangs, with the law and even government. Obviously the Queen is the 'Godmother' and decides everything.

Brief description of the 'Godmother'

Large and bulbous is her behind, it bends and goes throughout the walls of the Mafia complex, before finally settling in the nursery were the Eggs/Babies are born. Her arms are skinny and long and she wears a red overcoat. She has a pinnacle (Sorry, i dont know what they are called. Its like glass' but with just one convex lense and its on a chain.) She sits behind a desk, reading and talking to her Guards, keeping up with the news from the city. Shrinks bathe her behind in water and make sure that the Eggs/Babies are tended to. If anyone crosses her path, she not only has them shot...but displayed for a small time. To teach others a lesson.

Kaimana · #25 07-14-2002, 01:55 AM

intersting but was that official or a theory.

Sal the Mudokon · #26 07-14-2002, 02:50 AM

Is it confirmed that the Gloctigi is a glukkonish creature? Because I still see it as GREAT Skillya material. Just because it's in a pic with a glukkon and some of it's evolutionary relatives (or whatever they are) doesn't mean that the Gloctigi can't still be related to sligs. It fits ALL of the qualifications. It looks more sliglike than glukkonlike.

Sorry for going off topic.

BTW... good theories guys. But what if it went like this? There are TWO species Xs. For the sake of simplicity, we'll call the other ones "Species BLACK"... yeah, that sounds cool. Nowhere does it say that they led ONE species.
Okay, now with the other theories, War starts, Glukkons come out from underground with premature technologies, and are VERY outnumbered by Species X and its Mudokon generals. They are barely making ends meet with their few allies, one of which being the Vykkers. Had they had more time, they could have done something more technological, but all they had was they're resources: lesser animals, some easily accessible minerals, etc. This is where the Glukkons use a strategy that they will try again, but THIS TIME, it works. They start giving free meals to Species X. Species X soon becomes addicted to these foods and becomes...well, very gluttonous, in the sense of the word. They crave more and more of whatever it is that the glukkons have. They don't care where they get it. They don't care what they have to do for it.
Now, as for Species Black, being the cowardly fools they are, pulled out of the deal just in time to avoid slavery. They, instead become the cruel taskmasters of the to-be Mudokon slaves that we all know and love. They're poor weapons skills come in handy, as the Sligs.
All of a sudden the Glukkons are pressed with a problem, they must keep Species X from getting up and revolting against them. The Glukkons must keep the food flowing. They soon enslave the remaining Muds... blady blady bla, you know the rest.
NOW, FAST FORWARD TO... NOW!
As we all know (or should know), Abe and his freedom buddies little adventure is going to come to a climax in the BIG CITY. Now who lives in the BIG CITY? Why the Kanzumers (Species X), of course! Now what would happen if Abe, Munch, Squeek, Nod, and ... the other guy liberated the Kanzumers!? THEY'RE PROBLEMS WOULD BE OVER! They would attack the glukkons, the glukkons wouldnt be killing the animals and so on and so forth. Don't you like a happy ending? Me niether.

Edo · #27 07-14-2002, 03:36 AM

Well the Khanzumerz (Consumers), innately somewhat evil

and nursing a disturbingly real addiction to vykkers and Glukkon products

, would likely either die from withdrawl

, or, if still alive, by no means appreciate the removal of their source of luxury goods.

Remember: the Khanzumerz=

Kaimana · #28 07-14-2002, 04:19 AM

I find sals theory very interesting and also very sensible. (great job) One thing i must disagree with is this. at the end of your post you mentioned Abe and the others liberating the Khanzumers, while we no that Khanzumers are much more evil then Glukkons, so what if i were to say that Abe and Crew liberated the Glukkons and brought them over to the Big City to fight against the Khanzumers. I only suggested that because i believe the Khanzumers to be the evil (of coursee that is only on the outside, no oddworldian is truely evil).

***Wil*** · #29 07-14-2002, 10:23 AM

Jacob, what's your source? I really like the idea of the Oddworld Mafia being involved further towards the end of the Quintology, but I'm not sure I like exactly how you've described things as going.

Jacob · #30 07-14-2002, 04:33 PM

Max, apologies if you dont like it but thats what is going to be discovered during the end of the Quintology.