Why music sucks

Statikk HDM · #1 05-22-2002, 10:06 PM

Well, once again, the music industry didn't make diddly squat.
Why? Because of many things, one of them being commercialism of sound. Turn on a new metal station and I bet you can't tell who is who. No one has their own individual sound. And lets face it, with all the carbon copies floatin' around, do you think people want to waste 18 dollars on a cd that is probably too hyped and shitty?
And you know, they haven't kept the pricing competitive either. Why blow 18 dollars when Joe Nobody will lend me a cd and I burn it? Bingo, I've just saved about 17.50.
They say they will make anti pirate tech, thats bull and everyone knows it. And with mp3s around there is even LESS incentive to buy a cd.
And, if you can believe this, music people think that the cure is jakking up prices. Hello, Jackass CEO, you are giving enspiring artists cruddy contracts and chargin' 15 to 18 dollars on a blinking cd that costs about a dollar to produce! TLC filed for bankruptcy! Why should I screw around playing your games and buying all your cash money manufactured poser garbage? Well, I got burned cds out the wazoo now, I believe they saved me about 200 dollars. And that shit about robbing the artists, come on! Your are the ones giving them nickles on 18 dollar cds. Who is robbing who?

ABEACE123 · #2 05-22-2002, 11:05 PM

HOLD ON BRO I SOMETIMES RESPECT OPTIONS BUT THIS ONE I CAN'T JUST PASS BY I LOVE MUS AND HATE RAP BUT I CAN TUEN ON A META SATION AN TILL U RIGHT AWAY WHAT IT IS SO U CAN'T NEVER

Majic · #3 05-22-2002, 11:31 PM

You little twit... If you read, he was explaining the prices and how their gipping you. Seriously, cds never go down in price, but are still in such high demand etc... I mean sure, we just get the music industry back with what we do by burning and copying stuff (alhtough they'll go out of business if we all do it and they cant stop us). I think I have like3 311 cds burned, 1 Bad Religion, 1 Jimmy eat world, 1 FIve Iron Frenzy, 2 Greenday, 1 Offspring, 5 Less Than Jakes I think, um 1 Sum 41, 2 Korn, and um thats what I can think of right now... Thats hundreds of dollars saved, I laugh. Ah, but Bad Religion is the best though, no one can deny.

pinkgoth2 · #4 05-23-2002, 09:56 AM

Let's take a moment to realise the fact that no money for the music industry means no more new bands that can be supported, much less that actual EXPERTS can be put into play to find new talents (or do you really think Bro'Sis are the top of the pops? =P). Statikk, your attitude doesn't cure the state of music. I agree few songs these days still have quality, I really agree on that. But it's going to get worse if we continue to distribute mp3s without bothering about CDs!
I distribute mp3s aswell, HOWEVER, I do encourage people to buy the CD despite that, and I've managed to get quite a few people to buy CDs by sending them mp3s.

I'm seriously against this all-out only-mp3 hoarding so many people are doing. I have a few on my harddrive that are classed as illegal, but the percentage is... *vanishes for a moment to check* Almost exactly 50%. I bet that's lower than anyone else's here. That, and 50% of those are rarities of Apollo440, which are impossible to purchase anymore. =P

Yes, this probably wasn't started by the mp3 spreading *only slightly sarcastic* Maybe it started out because music went bad FIRST... but c'mon, you want this unproductivity to feed itself into a worldwide, music-killing monopoly?

Yea. Well. That's my opinion.

- TyA

Sl'askia · #5 05-23-2002, 04:21 PM

The only music I have 'ripped' onto my computer are from CD's I have legally bought and a couple of midi's I use for my site. And those I would never 'hand out' to others.
Music taste wise I am pretty flexible (save for country ugh...). Though I DON'T like music where the 'singers' are screaming their lyrics and you can't make out what they are saying...I see no point in it. (before you ask...no I don't know which bands 'scream' their lyrics, as I usually don't pay attention to who sings what on the radio. So I can't give you names...)

Danny · #6 05-23-2002, 07:01 PM

Of my about 110 CDs, only about 30 are pirated. I still buy CDs, it's just that I see no reason to splash out £12 when I can make a copy for almost free. I'll still buy the CD if none of my friends has a copy, but why should I waste my money?

And no, I don't think I am cheating the music industry out of any money that way. Think about it: The money I would have spent on that CD will probably end up being spent on a CD anyway, it's just that I will have others as well. And if I don't have any money, then I wouldn't have bought the CD anyway, so again the Industry doesn't lose out.

As for mp3s, I don't see the big flap. I don't know anybody who sits and downloads whole albums just to burn them onto CD. What happens is that people will download a couple of tracks to see if they like them, and if they do, they will buy the album. Or they might do what I do, and just download B-sides and rarities, which I could/would never buy anyway (since I never buy singles, since they are a total waste of money - a fiver for three tracks? I could get the whole album for twice that!)...

As for the state of modern music: I agree that most chart music these days is bland (Will Young? Slipknot? Eminem? Atomic Kitten? Ugh...), but there is a lot of decent music still coming out, and some of it even reaches the charts (somewhere, don't ask me where). Examples of decent albums that've come out recently (or will be out soon):

"In Our Gun", by Gomez
"And All That Could Have Been" by the Nine Inch Nails
"18" by Moby
The new Idlewild album (I don't know what it's gonna be called)
"Holes in the Wall" by Electric Soft Parade
"Souljacker" by the Eels (that's going back a bit, I admit, but it's still recent)

I can't be bothered to think of more, and I really doubt that you care. You get the picture, anyway...

Surfacing · #7 05-24-2002, 02:36 AM

Alot of people are copying cd's and selling them these days. I really feel sorry for music artist, they put there sweat and blood into making record's for their fans and they don't see a dime of the money because people are either d/l mps or copying the cd's. That's why i think Metallica made a smart move by sueing napster (Sadly there are alot more programs were people can d/l mp 3 from), i'm just suprised with the amount of people who won't cough up 20 bucks for music they like. Most new bands that have just started do not have a steady looking financial future because everyone will be d/l or copying there stuff, least old bands were around before burners or mps3 exsited.

Gluk Schmuck · #8 05-24-2002, 04:59 AM

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Originally posted by Surfacing
i'm just suprised with the amount of people who won't cough up 20 bucks for music they like.

Paying £14 for music when I could save a little more and buy games... Ha!
I just listen to it on the radio and I download the odd track I find.

Surfacing · #9 05-24-2002, 05:51 AM

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Originally posted by Gluk Schmuck

Paying £14 for music when I could save a little more and buy games... Ha!
I just listen to it on the radio and I download the odd track I find.

Then if you would rather games over music it would make sence to buy games over music.

dark_xinos · #10 05-24-2002, 12:01 PM

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Originally posted by Surfacing

Then if you would rather games over music it would make sence to buy games over music.

What? If you buy games over music...THEN it makes sence to do it again?

What are you talking about? You said the same thing twice...

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Originally posted by Gluk Schmuck

Paying £14 for music when I could save a little more and buy games... Ha!
I just listen to it on the radio and I download the odd track I find.
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Thats right! Music is on the radio. Games are more fun then sitting locked upp in your room digging to some cd you just bought. Games INCLUDE music! There aint no game without music! (besides solletary and stuff... Take Quake 2 for a example... You can stick that cd in a cd player and listen to it! (skip track one sence it is emty) that goes for Croc to!

Gluk Schmuck · #11 05-24-2002, 12:15 PM

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Originally posted by dark_xinos
Games are more fun then sitting locked upp in your room digging to some cd you just bought.

Very true. I find it impossible to just listen to music, I have to be doing something like playing a game or surfing.

Abe's son · #12 05-24-2002, 08:07 PM

ok i must be evil here....

i'm a techie with who the hell knows how many frick'n mp3s in my comp. And i have a burner system and i make my own cd's.

*waits for insulting reply*

Danny · #13 05-24-2002, 09:29 PM

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Originally posted by Surfacing
Alot of people are copying cd's and selling them these days. I really feel sorry for music artist, they put there sweat and blood into making record's for their fans and they don't see a dime of the money because people are either d/l mps or copying the cd's. That's why i think Metallica made a smart move by sueing napster (Sadly there are alot more programs were people can d/l mp 3 from), i'm just suprised with the amount of people who won't cough up 20 bucks for music they like. Most new bands that have just started do not have a steady looking financial future because everyone will be d/l or copying there stuff, least old bands were around before burners or mps3 exsited.

I don't think you were listening. For your benefit, I will copy out the relevant paragraph from my post:

burned CDs: "Think about it: The money I would have spent on that CD will probably end up being spent on a CD anyway, it's just that I will have others as well. And if I don't have any money, then I wouldn't have bought the CD anyway, so again the Industry doesn't lose out."

mp3s: "What happens is that people will download a couple of tracks to see if they like them, and if they do, they will buy the album. Or they might do what I do, and just download B-sides and rarities, which I could/would never buy anyway..."

And this isn't just me. If you ask around, there are very few people who have the patience to actually download whole albums...

Majic · #14 05-25-2002, 12:05 AM

Heh, if you have a slow modem it takes a while. But since (luckily) I have cable, it takes no longer than maybe 10 minutes to download an album. I love cable modems, so fast. But anyways, I don't really like KaZaA, most albums I have I downloaded off Napster anyway. So I stick with what I got.

Surfacing · #15 05-25-2002, 12:11 AM

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Originally posted by Danny
I don't think you were listening. For your benefit, I will copy out the relevant paragraph from my post:

burned CDs: "Think about it: The money I would have spent on that CD will probably end up being spent on a CD anyway, it's just that I will have others as well. And if I don't have any money, then I wouldn't have bought the CD anyway, so again the Industry doesn't lose out."

So what your saying is if you buy a cd (An empty cd to copy stuff on to that is) Is the same as buying an orginal cd by an artist?

abe22 · #16 05-25-2002, 01:33 AM

We got a CD burner a couple of weeks ago and we love it. It's hooked up to my dads' rig and it's certainly paying for itself now. I have 10 pirated CDs. But you see I don't have a pirated CD which is from a real CD (yet) they are all from record and tape. That's the main reason we got it for so we could listen to this great music we hardly listen too. I'm geeting some classical music done for me now

. I contributed alot didn't I?

Gluk Schmuck · #17 05-25-2002, 06:29 AM

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Originally posted by Surfacing
So what your saying is if you buy a cd (An empty cd to copy stuff on to that is) Is the same as buying an orginal cd by an artist?

He's saying that he won't buy the unpirated CDs because they're too expensive so the industry isn't loosing anything by him buying pirated CDs.

dark_xinos · #18 05-25-2002, 07:27 AM

Dosent Napster cost money?

Anyway, ive got an idia so the music artist arent compleately tricket. For every emty cd someone buys, the music companys get some of that money. That way, there less cheated.

Sl'askia · #19 05-25-2002, 10:50 AM

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Originally posted by dark_xinos
Anyway, ive got an idia so the music artist arent compleately tricket. For every emty cd someone buys, the music companys get some of that money. That way, there less cheated.

Um...if they do that then the cost of the blank CDs will go up....

Edit: Thought of something else...

If you are burning CDs for your own personal use off of already bought CDs (for instance, only putting the tracks you like from several albums onto a burnt CD) I don't see what the big hoopla is.
Now if you are actually making full burnt copies to sell for a profit...then yes, that is a problem.
But then...if the music industry wasn't so greedy and didn't have the CD's cost so much in the first place...they wouldn't have such a problem...as their products would be cheap enough for many peeps to buy. (I mean...come on...$13 bucks for SINGLE!? OY!) Ok...at least here in the US the standard seems to be staying around $16 a CD...which I don't really have a prob with cause its been about that price for ages...
I think I just contradicted myself....*sigh*

PinkHaired Mudokon CWR · #20 05-25-2002, 08:33 PM

Two words: Burn cd's!

Because cd's are starting to become to rich for my blood. Expensive yo.

Danny · #21 05-25-2002, 09:28 PM

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Originally posted by Surfacing
So what your saying is if you buy a cd (An empty cd to copy stuff on to that is) Is the same as buying an orginal cd by an artist?

No. Listen.

I buy CD:
Record Shop, Record Company, and Band gain £12. I gain a CD.

I copy CD because a friend already has it, I use money saved by not buying it to buy a CD that none of my friends has:
Record Shop, Record Company, and Band gain £12. I gain several CDs.

Where's your problem?

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Originally posted by Gluk Schmuck
He's saying that he won't buy the unpirated CDs because they're too expensive so the industry isn't loosing anything by him buying pirated CDs.

Don't be silly. Why would anyone want to BUY a pirated CD? The whole point of pirated CDs is that they don't cost money... And I didn't say that I don't buy proper CDs because they're too expensive, but that I would rather spend my money on CDs that I can't copy off my friends. I didn't expect you of all people to be putting words into my mouth, Tom...

Surfacing · #22 05-26-2002, 12:44 AM

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Originally posted by Danny
No. Listen.

I buy CD:
Record Shop, Record Company, and Band gain £12. I gain a CD.

I copy CD because a friend already has it, I use money saved by not buying it to buy a CD that none of my friends has:
Record Shop, Record Company, and Band gain £12. I gain several CDs.

Where's your problem?

But by copying a cd your "friend" has, the artist does not benifit from, but when you buy that other cd from saving money buy copying them the artist benefits.

Gluk Schmuck · #23 05-26-2002, 08:22 AM

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Originally posted by Danny
Don't be silly. Why would anyone want to BUY a pirated CD? The whole point of pirated CDs is that they don't cost money... And I didn't say that I don't buy proper CDs because they're too expensive, but that I would rather spend my money on CDs that I can't copy off my friends. I didn't expect you of all people to be putting words into my mouth, Tom...

Well sorry. I was just trying to explain what you said to Leon. I guess I didn't read all the fine, minute details.

*reads Leon's post*
*doesn't say anything*

Danny · #24 05-26-2002, 06:50 PM

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Originally posted by Surfacing
But by copying a cd your "friend" has, the artist does not benifit from, but when you buy that other cd from saving money buy copying them the artist benefits.

But if I bought the CD, then the other artist (who made the CD I would have bought if I had copied the first CD instead) would lose out. Either way, only one artist gets the money, so what difference does it make which it is?

Tom, you didn't just miss out a couple of details, you totally misinterpreted my point...

I suppose I'll forgive you this once... Seeing as how I control your every action anyway...

***Cloverfield*** · #25 05-27-2002, 03:13 AM

I really don't listen to much variety in music, and even more rarely buy albums (or CDs if you must). The radio is usually fine for me, as I find that often there are a lot of songs you don't like when you buy a CD, so it's best to just get the ones you like on MP3. If there is a band I particularly like, or a CD I particularly want, I will buy it though.

I used to have a major problem with the Final Fantasy music that I listen to. You never used to be able to buy the CDs over here in Australia. So what do you do, unless you order online and get them imported from Japan, the only way I could listen to the music was downloading MP3s. And this is even worse for those Final Fantasy music fans who don't have a credit card, and cannot order online (parent's won't buy for them, etc). Napster ended up blocking Final Fantasy music, and people were furious! Until they found the other sites/programs that allowed for downloading them.

But as soon as I found a store in Australia which sold the CDs, I purchased them. I still have my MP3s though, as it's a good way to randomize songs from about 15 CDs worth, plus I can listen to them at work.

The ironic thing is, that I found out my copies of the Final Fantasy CDs weren't offical after all that. Apparently, there are record labels in Hong Kong which copy the official versions of Japanese soundtracks (video game and anime) and sell them overseas. So in this case, even when you try to get the official CD, you don't... and just end up giving the priates the money. Some of the US online stores have the official ones, but Australia, it's the pirate ones or back to the MP3s.

Abe Babe...

morphius · #26 05-27-2002, 10:36 PM

I do not really enjoy music because most of the time you are listening to other peoples small problems and this does not improve the mood, and sometimes music is about nothing, or about very sad things and this is also not very pleasing.... But sometimes i do enjoy the actual sound (Not the words though.) I have also seen a lot of people listen to certain music just because every one else is and once this trend ends they switch to an other group.

Surfacing · #27 05-28-2002, 01:53 AM

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Originally posted by Danny
But if I bought the CD, then the other artist (who made the CD I would have bought if I had copied the first CD instead) would lose out. Either way, only one artist gets the money, so what difference does it make which it is?

How many artist are you talking about? If your talking about 2 then one lose's which is the point i'm trying to make.

abe22 · #28 05-28-2002, 05:10 AM

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Originally posted by morphius
I have also seen a lot of people listen to certain music just because every one else is and once this trend ends they switch to an other group.

Them kind of people (like my friends) are called sheep.

Danny · #29 05-28-2002, 05:07 PM

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Originally posted by Surfacing
How many artist are you talking about? If your talking about 2 then one lose's which is the point i'm trying to make.

That is also the point I am trying to make. One artist is going to lose out whether I copy the CD or not, so what difference does it make?

Statikk HDM · #30 05-28-2002, 07:44 PM

Well, the only way I would be pissed at people who burn and rip is if they did it for profit. Think of the undercutting. You make a cd for 50 cents and sell it off for half price, like 7 or 8 dollars. You run it all black market. Christ, with illegal fireworks their ought to be a market for that.