Stop Commercial Whaling!

Sydney · #1 04-17-2002, 09:47 PM

Five weeks from now, an International Whaling Commision meeting will be held at the Japanese whaling port of Shimonoseki. The Fisheries Agency of Japan has launched a powerful campaign in an effort to see the return of full-scale commercial whaling.

You can help sully the efforts of Japan by signing up as a member of the Global Whale Action Team. All you have to do is follow the link below and enter your name and email address so you can receive updates on action you can take. For example, you might get a link to a letter template, all you have to do is press "Send" and the website will forward the letter to a Japanese official who can help put an end to whaling.

http://act.greenpeace.org/mms/m?r=4&st=0&sk=eye&la=en

You can save lives!

Oddsville · #2 04-17-2002, 10:09 PM

Well, Im in. I hope I'll be at least alittle bit of a help to stop commercial whaling.

Disgruntled Intern · #3 04-17-2002, 10:11 PM

I'm in as well.
although I wish people would go this far to protect sharks too...

Oddsville · #4 04-17-2002, 10:14 PM

Yeah I know, its horrible how they capture a shark, chop off its dorsal and side fins just to make sharkfin soup and the really horrible thing is that then they just throw the mutalated shark back into the sea.

BiddaMD · #5 04-17-2002, 10:54 PM

its a cruel world my friends. Why destroy an already dying species? Money....plain and simple. This kind of shit has to stop.

Melvin:squeeking paramite · #6 04-17-2002, 11:06 PM

Certainly I'll help... Wow, how horrid.... Ugh, it makes me sick knowing that people actually want to get commercial whaling back...

Any way, I hope we can stop it...

Majic · #7 04-18-2002, 01:39 AM

Nasty crap man, nasty crap. Whales are cool, they like, blow water through there head and stuff.... How could people want to actualy kill a dying species, stupid bastards. I'm in.

paramiteabe · #8 04-18-2002, 01:40 AM

I am in dude save the whales all the way mann. We live in a crule world! Poor senseless creatures are being killed every day for game and for what ink? It's crule I tell ya.

Surfacing · #9 04-18-2002, 02:08 AM

No offence Sid, but ar'nt there more important things to care about in the world? Like the war in the middle east? Or the war in Afganistan? Don't you think the well being of Humanbeings come before animals?

Sydney · #10 04-18-2002, 02:20 AM

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Originally posted by Surfacing
No offence Sid, but ar'nt there more important things to care about in the world? Like the war in the middle east? Or the war in Afganistan? Don't you think the well being of Humanbeings come before animals?

And here comes bitter, cynical Surfacing, who has something to say about any tragedy. Whenever someone dies, you always express your carelessness, so I'm surprised you're actually concerned about the middle eastern turbulance. Or maybe you're just using it as an excuse to complain in this thread?

Yes, human welfare is a concern of mine, but what can I do about it? Greenpeace emailed me an alert on how we can help the whales, so I took some action. Have some compassion for Christ's sake.

Others: thanks for taking the time to take part in this, I'm sure we'll make a difference.

Majic · #11 04-18-2002, 02:24 AM

Surf, I think the war is going just fine, they havent announced the terrorists are kicking ass yet. So calm down sonny, everythings gonna be all right... And for Pete's sake don't you have a little heart for the whales?!?!?!

Surfacing · #12 04-18-2002, 07:46 AM

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Originally posted by Majic_Abe
Surf, I think the war is going just fine

Yeah hundreds or even thousands of innocent Civilians have been killed by the u.s bomber Jets, that sure sounds fine to me. Or even the fact that thousands of homes have been crushed, increasing the refugee number even more that sound's even more fine to me, wha do you say?

Well Sid, it's nice to know you give a damn.

Sl'askia · #13 04-18-2002, 09:10 AM

Then what would you have us to Surf? Let the ignornent humans who only care about profits destroy every animal other then the dominsitcated ones!? Until the only animals left are ourselves and the animals we have tamed!?
The point of this is to preserve our beautiful world for are children and children to see and experience. Wouldn't it be better for you if you can see a whale roaming free in the ocean...rather then only in pictures due to our ignorence?

Besides...you are exagerating. There are thousands of refugees yes...but more to do the acts of the Taliban then the US. The US has always tried to make sure the collateral damage is keep to a minimum during a war, but they know that accidents do happen.
People die in wars...both the enemy, our allies, and innocents. It is a sad truth we must except.
If you don't like it how it is being done...*shoves an M-16 into his hands* go out there and show us how it's done...

Surfacing · #14 04-18-2002, 09:24 AM

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Originally posted by Dragadon
Then what would you have us to Surf? Let the ignornent humans who only care about profits destroy every animal other then the dominsitcated ones!? Until the only animals left are ourselves and the animals we have tamed!?
The point of this is to preserve our beautiful world for are children and children to see and experience. Wouldn't it be better for you if you can see a whale roaming free in the ocean...rather then only in pictures due to our ignorence?

Besides...you are exagerating. There are thousands of refugees yes...but more to do the acts of the Taliban then the US. The US has always tried to make sure the collateral damage is keep to a minimum during a war, but they know that accidents do happen.
People die in wars...both the enemy, our allies, and innocents. It is a sad truth we must except.
If you don't like it how it is being done...*shoves an M-16 into his hands* go out there and show us how it's done...

No i'm not againest this topic in anyway. I was just pointing out that there are more things to be worried about in this world, I would love to preserve any animal, but the truth is, they are getting killed for there, claws, Jaws, Fur, ect ect... I do my part and do not purchase any of these products, and what ever else i can do to help.

Know to the war topic. So what if the U.S is trying to Minimize the amount of civilan deaths, the U.S is still Killing innocent civilains. And no i don't like how it is being done at all, why resort to violence? It's easy for the U.S to, because they are the most strongest nation on earth, (Now that's sad but true), So why give me a M-16 for? I'm don't fix my problems with guns, which Obviously you seem to be into.

***Alcar*** · #15 04-18-2002, 09:43 AM

I signed up, im all for making our worls a better place.

I cant wait for you Sydney to get the Animal Rights forums up again.

Alcar...

Gluk Schmuck · #16 04-18-2002, 01:12 PM

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Originally posted by Surfacing
I was just pointing out that there are more things to be worried about in this world

There are plenty of bad things happeneing, yes. This topic is about one of those things.

I don't see your problem.

Danny · #17 04-18-2002, 07:42 PM

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Originally posted by Surfacing
No offence Sid, but ar'nt there more important things to care about in the world? Like the war in the middle east? Or the war in Afganistan? Don't you think the well being of Humanbeings come before animals?

Things we can currently do to stop the atrocities in Afghanistan: None.

Things we can currently do to stop Commercial Whaling: Sign these petitions and things.

If you want to come in here and tell us something we can do to help the Afghanistanis, then by all means do so. I for one would be glad to do anything I can to help. But if you're going to come in here and tell us to "worry about them", instead of actually doing something to stop a different problem, then you have a warped sense of priorities...

Sl'askia · #18 04-18-2002, 08:33 PM

Actually I loath guns with a passion. If I had a choice I wouldn't have anything to do with them. But unfortunately I am in the military and in my career field I have to qualify in shooting the M-16 every two years...

Back on topic now...
One reason I know of that the Japanese are pushing to whaling to resume is that whale meat is a traditional food there. And since Japan is a country that is very traditional in its ways they are reluctent to give it up....

Melvin:squeeking paramite · #19 04-18-2002, 10:03 PM

Ugh... Surf, really... This topic is about trying to get rid of useless whaling. What are we supposed to do about the war? This is a topic to try to help get rid of whaling. It has nothing to do with war... Quit whining. I have no idea why the hell you even brought it up, other than to get some place to whine and bitch at some people trying to do something good. You act as if someone actually said that whales are better than all of the humans (which may be true...) or something derogatory about the army. You have problems...

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Originally posted by Sydney
And here comes bitter, cynical Surfacing, who has something to say about any tragedy.

I've always thought of Surf to be fodder for cynics, actually...

mitsur · #20 04-18-2002, 10:53 PM

How are there gonna be othe 'Free Willie'movies?DIE EVIL WHALE KILLERS!DIE!

Surfacing · #21 04-19-2002, 12:34 AM

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Originally posted by Melvin:squeeking paramite
You have problems...

Well go on, start listing them, i would love to hear the problems you think i suffer from.

Danny · #22 04-19-2002, 05:04 PM

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Originally posted by Surfacing
Well go on, start listing them, i would love to hear the problems you think i suffer from.

Ooo, can I have a go?
[list=1][*]Warped sense of priorities[*]Slipknot[*]Homophobia[*]Selfishness[*]Belief that there is something wrong with being Sensitive[*]A really annoying Avatar[/list=1]

You asked for it...

morphius · #23 04-19-2002, 05:05 PM

But one must think, do humans have the right, is there a benefit being on the top of the food chain? Atleast some of these water creatures have a fine life and then die, what about products such as bacon, ham, meat, these animanls are grown into torture and live a horrible life, the aslo have more feelings than a dog would have,there are definately worse things than this whaling problem....... Such as oil companies....They have been around for so long and humans could save their environment without them(If humans were to nationally petition to get rid of them) but these companies will not give up because their fortune that was gained after all these years would be destroyed then...I have no opinion on this but you have to think animals eat each-other, sometimes bit by bit. Also are these animals here for our benefit or are they here for another reason?

Doug · #24 04-19-2002, 05:19 PM

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Originally posted by morphius
there are definately worse things than this whaling problem....... Such as oil companies....They have been around for so long and humans could save their environment without them(If humans were to nationally petition to get rid of them)

Do you walk or bicycle everywhere? Do you realize how many people heat their houses with oil? How do you think most of your groceries got to the grocery store? Do you realize that the majority of electricity is generated from oil? Do you think oil companies are the only problem facing the environment? I'm not saying that oil companies always behave the way they ought to or that we shouldn't develop cleaner sources of energy, but you better think twice before you just get rid of them all.

Why is it that a problem has to be "the worst" problem in order for it to get any attention? I think that the extinction of a species is plenty bad enough to get some attention along with the other problems in this world. It's a sad day when we can just blithely go "oh, well" when a particular animal or plant species faces the distinct possibility that it will never again see the light of day.

morphius, try not to overtake Danny with your post count all in your first day -- he wouldn't be happy.

morphius · #25 04-19-2002, 05:33 PM

I mean the oil as in the fuel for cars....... humans do not need to use this in their cars anymore, such things as corn oil are alot 10 times better) better for the environment, but do you think they would give up this, they would loose a ton of profits....... The government would not even allow it.... and also how do you value a species, and what is their purpose and worth? Could they be considered the weaker species that never evolved to our level? Dont the weak usually die anyways? I have no opinion just stated ideas..........

Doug · #26 04-19-2002, 06:05 PM

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Originally posted by morphius
humans do not need to use this in their cars anymore, such things as corn oil are alot 10 times better

If alternative fuel systems were economically viable, their use would be more widespread. A fully-electric car costs something like $30,000 and even that comes with all kinds of tax credits and rebates.

If by "corn oil" you mean "ethanol," i.e., grain-based alcohol, alcohol is produced by distillation. For distillation you need heat -- guess where most of the heat for distillation comes from? Oil.

Your advocacy of eliminating oil companies completely disregards all the other uses of oil, including fueling trains, trucks, planes, electricity, and making the plastic parts in your computer.

morphius · #27 04-19-2002, 06:16 PM

Are you so ignorant that you think humans cant or havent found something else to use besides oil?

Statikk HDM · #28 04-19-2002, 06:24 PM

Do you know how they kill whales? I do. My dad used to be a commercial fisherman and he told me how people take down whales. Harpoons are useless unless you have hundreds of em. You need somethink a little more spunky, something with more kick. The shoot an explosive barbed harpoon. The massive heat and bleeding kills in minutes. Commercial whaling is good. I don't see any of you crusading to save mock lobster or redfish. What,aren't the fish you veg heads eat cute enough to save. Hypocrites

Doug · #29 04-19-2002, 06:38 PM

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Originally posted by morphius
Are you so ignorant that you think humans cant or havent found something else to use besides oil?

Watch who you're calling ignorant, pal. I think that you are becoming sensitive about being found out that you talk a lot of crap about stuff that you very poorly understand.

The point is not that there are alternatives -- I conceded that there were. The alternatives are not currently economically viable. When they are, I am all for environmentally-friendly alternative fuel systems, and I am all for eliminating the use of oil and other polluting fuels sources. However, we are not there yet.

You are the one who wants to eliminate oil companies today. You are the one who thinks the whole world can switch over to corn oil burning vehicles tomorrow. Now that's ignorant.

morphius · #30 04-19-2002, 06:45 PM

Sure there is an alternative and I use ignorant because it seems it is quite hostile in here........There are alternatives but the government, the companies would not make this change because they would not stiil have there superior dominance. They would make less, yes but them making 25 billion instead of 100 billion will not kill them(ex.), they make 100 times more then they need to be considered rich, and keep in mind the oil companies would never jeopardize the buisness which has been around for so long.........sorry, this is not an argument with you but rather them.....