Hypnotism and such things...

[Jacob]

Yes, yet again another topic dedicated to something not of your everyday practice. Im making this topic to ask if anyone has tried it, i know that someone on here has used that site on spellsandmagic.com but i 4got who. Im now wondering if anyone else has tried it that and/or Astral Projectin/Dream recall/control. If so please state so in here. Also, does anybody know how to meditate officiently and could someone give me some good sites on 'Tantra' (If that is something sexual then sorry, i know that it can be linked to that of a sexual nature but thats all i know. So dont ban me.) Thanx.

[Sl'askia]

Never tried hypnotism, but I would like to learn how to meditate. Been trying but without much success (darn brain is too hyper...)

[Joe the Intern]

I have hypnotised myself before. It's quite easy, but there isn't much you can do to yourself.

[Melvin:squeeking paramite]

I've been hypnotizing people for a while... I have a few books on it, and have read about it on the internet. I have managed to hypnotize about 5 people, but they usually just sit there, in a hypnotic stage... I have made them move their hands, and a few small things... But I usually just take people out very quickly. I don't do it too well, but at least I have done it.... I also have recently found that I can do it to myself, after practicing for quite a while.... Should have kept that weak-minded comment I made about Morgan to myself, last time there was a topic like this...

Edit: Oops, forgot.... I have also tried dream recall, but I can't seem to manage to do it properly. I will keep trying, though, because it would be great to remember every single dream in detail... I have also tried to do it so that I can control my dreams (forgot what that's called) but no luck....

[Danny]

Originally posted by Melvin:squeeking paramite
I have also tried to do it so that I can control my dreams (forgot what that's called)

Lucid Dreaming.

[Pilot]

&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp I do meditate. All I can say is that you need some practice, but it is something that anybody can learn to do relatively fast. Because I meditate, I can lull myself into a "controlled dream," which is different from Lucid dreaming. Lucid dreaming, a common misnomer for actual "controlled dreams," is when you are asleep, yet your concious is awake, and you are fully aware that you are asleep. But, I do have controlled dreams that are usually Oddworld in nature (I won't go into detail here). Many sources exist which contain information on the practices. From what I've read, they are all pretty accturate. The most important thing is that you do not become impatient, and do not become discouraged if you cannot do it right away.

[Jacob]

I have only controlled one of my dreams. Were i made a gun appear in my hands so i could kill aload of Zombies...that was...interesting i spose.

[Danny]

Originally posted by Pilot
[BLucid dreaming, a common misnomer for actual "controlled dreams," is when you are asleep, yet your concious is awake, and you are fully aware that you are asleep.[/B]

That still sounds like the same thing. Whenever I become aware that I am dreaming, I always become able to control my dreams. Don't the two things go hand in hand?

[Jacob]

That still sounds like the same thing. Whenever I become aware that I am dreaming, I always become able to control my dreams. Don't the two things go hand in hand?

I read somewhere wiv Pilots version u go onto the diff Astral planes or sumat.

[Pilot]

That still sounds like the same thing. Whenever I become aware that I am dreaming, I always become able to control my dreams. Don't the two things go hand in hand?

&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp Not precisely. When you are lucid, your conciousness is awake while your body is still asleep. A good example would be one of the times it happened to me. I thought I was awake, yet everything was black. I tried opening my mouth, and nothing happened. So basically it was as if I was trapped inside my body, which was still sleeping. I said, "Wake up!" and tried shaking around (which I really didn't) and I slowly woke up at that time. Lucid dreams also tend to put you in a third-person position, in which you are like a player controlling everything going on, yet are not an actual person in the dream. Controlled dreams, on the other hand, are when you are in a first-person role while acting out the dream. So a controlled dream are as if one was "living" the dream. I myself, have experienced dreams SO real, that even to this day I cannot look back upon them and differentiate between it and real life. I can't even say for certain that it WAS a dream.


&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp Jacob states it well as a "different astral plane." I won't get into any great depth of detail, but earlier humans made no distinction between the real and dream world. To them, they were the same. Seemingly simply because they did not have the "split" conciousness that the modern human has; no "Unconcious" and "concious" mind; their minds were one. Modern human has this "split" in their conciousness, and it does cause various problems. One of which is not taking dreams seriously. Though there are even more serious repercussions.

[RoN_Rancor]

Why would one need to take dreams seriously? I was under the impression that dreams are more or less the random thoughts and fears going through your head, that come together in a way which your mind interprets as a "story". Unless of course you realize it is a dream and then control it (I have only had very limited experience with controlling dreams), which I thought was basicly the same as a day-dream but without external distractions.

[Sl'askia]

Now that I think of it...I do tend to control my dreams...though those I don't take control of I forget the next morning (which is annoying...I want to know what they are...).
I day dream a lot, (hyper hyper imagination) and that is a form of controled dreams I believe...

It is important to remember dreams because they can be the window to finding out who you really are.
While I am at it, I'll relate a couple of dreams I will always remember.

In the first one I was a part of some special operations unit in a war effort. (this was before I joined the military...foreshadowing perhaps?) I remember hearing bombs exploding and gun fire.
At one point of the dream (don't laugh) I morphed into a dragon and procided to wreak havok on the enemy forces.
After all that ( don't remember all the details) I was spiriling down (still a dragon) in my room down to my bed...

The other one I don't remember much about at all...other then I was a wolf in a pack of wolves. I remember vividly their yellow eyes glimming in the night...

[Pilot]

Originally posted by Dragadon

It is important to remember dreams because they can be the window to finding out who you really are.

&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp Yes, you are precisely correct. I spoke with Lorne about some of my dreams, and it has (and still is) leading me down the path toward the discovery of who I really am. As I said before, many people dismiss dreams. They are very important! Lorne has taught me a lot, and he's one of the very few people with whom I have shared one particular recurring Oddworld-related controlled dream with... one which I can only get to if I meditate beforehand.


&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp It was actually the initial Oddworld related dream I had many months ago that inspired me to start finding my spiritual roots.

[RoN_Rancor]

It is important to remember dreams because they can be the window to finding out who you really are.

How? They simply reflect what you are thinking about. Not that I don't like dreams or anything, its just I feel that they aren't much more important than their entertainment value.

[Pilot]

&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp And that is the problem that I speak of. A long time ago, before the splitting of the human psyche, people actually realized that dreams were very important. I cannot simply convince you otherwise, but the alternate planes of conciousness (dreams) are just as important as the physical plane. This is the problem I'm speaking of: not realizing that dreams are worth a damn. It can be a rather crippling factor... many times, one's spiritual guides, departed relatives, or even god can send you a message in the form of a dream. "A dream, uninterpreted, is like an unopened letter." Many people think that they're "opening the letter" simply by reflecting upon the dream, (which makes no sense to them) and dismiss it as random thoughts and whatnot. Dreams are often delivered and played out with some sort of symbology. That is, they're not literal. It's kind of funny, because usually I talk to people who have crazy dreams... and once they find out that they actually mean something, they're in amazement! And the more they can interpret for themselves, the more they can se and apply to their lives!


&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp And I must point out that many don't want to believe that there is some greater power, and those people dismiss it as quackery. It's also common for those to dismiss what they do not understand.


&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp Also, I do not want anybody to think that I am preaching, and I don't want anybody who reads this to become insulted any way if they believe that I am encroaching upon their belief system. Take the enclosed information for what it is, and make what you will of it. I do not propogandize anything, I simply offer my input.

[Cloverfield]

I have been taking an interest in this area ever since Justin started telling me about the subject many months ago. I sent him some of my dreams which he interpreted and gave me meanings for. And you know so far they have been pretty spot on, with some of my dreams even showing me that I must get my act together with particular things in my life and not put them off. It seems to deliver a positive message to me and also has indicated things upcoming.

I am actually slowly improving on working some things out myself, but still need his help with other things. Some dreams seem to be cryptic in their message, while others are very straight forward and easy to understand.

Abe Babe...

[Danny]

Originally posted by Pilot
When you are lucid, your conciousness is awake while your body is still asleep. A good example would be one of the times it happened to me. I thought I was awake, yet everything was black. I tried opening my mouth, and nothing happened. So basically it was as if I was trapped inside my body, which was still sleeping. I said, "Wake up!" and tried shaking around (which I really didn't) and I slowly woke up at that time.

You mean Sleep Paralysis?

Lucid dreams also tend to put you in a third-person position,

Wait a minute, you just described Lucid Dreams like Sleep Paralysis, but now you're saying that they're actual dreams... I'm confused here, sorry...

in which you are like a player controlling everything going on, yet are not an actual person in the dream. Controlled dreams, on the other hand, are when you are in a first-person role while acting out the dream. So a controlled dream are as if one was "living" the dream. I myself, have experienced dreams SO real, that even to this day I cannot look back upon them and differentiate between it and real life. I can't even say for certain that it WAS a dream.

All of my dreams are like that... Well, almost all. And on those few occasions that I actually realise I'm dreaming, I am always able to control my dreams... So for me, there only seem to be two types of dream...

I do not want anybody to think that I am preaching, and I don't want anybody who reads this to become insulted any way if they believe that I am encroaching upon their belief system. Take the enclosed information for what it is, and make what you will of it. I do not propogandize anything, I simply offer my input.

I want your input, don't get me wrong, and I like to hear other people's opinions, but I think you're phrasing this wrong by stating it all as if it were established fact, rather than your own beliefs... Particularly those things about departed relatives and god being able to talk to you - I'm not saying that God and Life After Death absolutely don't exist, but by stating them as if they were proven fact, you are infringing on the beliefs of others, no matter how much you qualify them with apologies...

Meh, now it's me who sounds preachy... Sorry about that last paragraph, I can't seem to word it in a way that makes sense, really, without sounding like some kind of pedant... It's not particularly relevant, either... *embarrassed smiley, except that I don't want to use the one that's given as "Embarrassed Smiley", since it doesn't look in the least embarrassed, and more like it's giving a blow job, really...*

[RoN_Rancor]

If you look hard enough, anything can be a symbol for just about anything else. If you are looking for symbols, you will find them no matter where you look. Oh, and about the 1st/3rd person view thingie, my dreams tend to change from one to the other without any transition within the dream itself whether it is controlled or not.

And I must point out that many don't want to believe that there is some greater power, and those people dismiss it as quackery. It's also common for those to dismiss what they do not understand.

I do believe in God, but I don't think that he takes control of my dreams.

And, I am not insulted. This is an interesting topic

[Danny]

Originally posted by Pilot
And I must point out that many don't want to believe that there is some greater power, and those people dismiss it as quackery. It's also common for those to dismiss what they do not understand.

I didn't see this paragraph last time I read this. I am now extremely offended. I wouldn't think you would be the type to sink to this kind of snide insult.

[Pilot]

&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbspI fear you have me completely wrong! That was not directed at anybody... I'm sorry. This is why you don't see me in any of the other controversial topics.


&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbspAnd as thoughtful as I am, I simply cannot prevent some individuals from becoming offended in one way or another. It's like a religious war... there's no end in sight, as the argument could be infinitely perpetual.


&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp And speaking of religion: when someone asks me what religion I am, I say, "I am all of them, yet not a single one of them."

[Danny]

Since we appear to be resolving this one over PM, I won't comment here. Please ignore this little tiff, peoples...

[Teal]

I wish I could remember my dreams. I never can, though; they're gone the second I wake up, unless something in the dream startles me awake. I can remember a couple of dreams I had as a child (One involved the hill behind the house turning into a volcano and erupting, while we sat on the porch outside and watched it, and the sky turned bright orange and spitfires flew around overhead having dogfights. I just sat there and watched it all, as though I was just watching the wind in the branches and birds flying around... I think I was only four when I had that dream (I'm 20, nearly 21 now), and I'm surprised I still remember it...)

In all, my brain is pretty useless in stuff that doesn't have a rigidly defined reason to it... *sigh* I can reason out the biology of a non-existant alien species, but I can't do anything even vaguely spiritual.

Oh, and Rach - surely meditation is not letting the mind go completely blank, it is ordering and controlling one's thoughts? Otherwise there wouldn't be much point to doing it...

[Sydney]

Originally posted by Teal
Oh, and Rach - surely meditation is not letting the mind go completely blank, it is ordering and controlling one's thoughts? Otherwise there wouldn't be much point to doing it...

From what I'm aware of Buddhism, meditation is shedding the mind of any thoughts and being able to focus. So I guess it is both about controlling one's mind and making the mind blank. I always had the impression that meditation is about clarity.

I've tried it, but tend to find the whole lotus-position and new-age stigma around it to be rather hokey. The equivalent are those times when your gaze becomes fixed on something and you're overcome with a sense of relaxation. The key to meditation is freeing yourself from desire, whether it be the desire to successfully meditate or the whole Buddhist philosophy that detatches itself from the material world. Do it on the train.

[Danny]

Originally posted by Sydney
I've tried it, but tend to find the whole lotus-position and new-age stigma around it to be rather hokey.

I wasn't under the impression that the Lotus Position and New-Age Stigma were compulsory... Darn, I've been doing it wrong all these years...