Child discipline

[mudling]

Ok, the toppic "Kids these days" got steered right off from it's tracks, after originally being a thread commenting on kids in general, it turned into an argument about whether beating children was appropiate, and what it's effects are, I'd thought that we'd leave skillyaslig's thread alone, and make a thread about child discipline, and more speacifically, beating your child. (Sorry if it was innappropiate to create another thread, but I thought it was).
So, argue away.
Here's some things to discuss:
Is it wrong?
What are the effects, short term and long term?
What are other possible solutions?
Who has the rights to choose whether the child deserves a beating, and who has the right to do it? (I.e. the parent, a bystander, a teacher, the child)
Does it get to the root of the problem?
What are the causes of children being shits these days (You could say lack of child abuse, but why are they shits in the first place), how can we avoid this?
and anything else you want.

[Oddey]

I'm 13 and I actually agree that beating can be appropriate, but only in certain situations. These include hitting others hard enough to at least make a bruise, swearing, and other stuff. But limit it to something like a good smack.
While the long term effects are things like fear over doing bad things, it at least establishes a way to actually stop or discourage kids from doing bad stuff. I personally hate the way children act today. Here they swear all the time at really young ages. I bet if you took danish kids and american kids and put them in a danish class the american kids would be shocked. Short term effects are ones like pain and also hating their parents.
Who has the right to determine? That's one good question. I'd say parents but then it'd be really often if they were the wrong type. Exam thingy said by Wings of Fire might help.
There's other ways of course I'm just to lazy to think of some right now.
Maybe it'd get to the root of the problem depending on what type of kid it is.
Chidren aren't "shits" but they're just really loud and annoying. And I don't have a clue why they are, but I bet it's got something to do with wanting to be popular.

[Havoc]

Can a moderator merge some of the post from the other topic here? Else it gets confusing.

[mudling]

Yeah, I couldn't do it myself, maybe in the morning I will post quotes from all of the major arguments if it isn't merged by the morning.
Sorry about that, and thanks.

[Fuzzle Guy]

They are being shits because nothing wil lstop them. If they know they can get away with anything without anyone hurting them, they will not stop.

[dripik]

Chidren aren't "shits" but they're just really loud and annoying. And I don't have a clue why they are, but I bet it's got something to do with wanting to be popular.

My version for an answer is that they realised that they have become practically untouchable. And they enjoy it. Who wouldn't?

There have been a number of cases here lately when children humiliated their teachers (one of them actually recorded a scene, it has been on the news for weeks). And teachers really can't do anything, except for threatening the wrongdoers with various punishments (not physical ones, of course), which is generally ignored by them.

In my opinion, re-introducing abuse as a way of discipline should be enough alone in itself. If kids realise that the 'good days' are gone, they might reconsider things and act normally again. Because of this, there might be no need for beating to actually happen. Some exceptions are bound to happen, but they will end up as examples for the more reasonable children.

[Havoc]

Stop calling it abuse goddamnit. It's not abuse, it's discipline.

[Wings of Fire]

Stop calling it genocide goddamnit. It's not genocide it's racial cleansing.

[Laser]

Children should be beaten within an inch of their life, then stamped on by a fat man wearing ye olde divers boots.

Hows that for disipline?

[Havoc]

Stop calling it genocide goddamnit. It's not genocide it's racial cleansing.

And you need to stop making retarded comparisons.

[Wings of Fire]

Comaprison? It was simply an analogy of your euphemism. The subject contained within is irrelevant, what is relevant is the misleading bias the euphemism lends to the context.

In a very 'salt of the earth' term; I prefer to call a spade a spade. Discipline as a term is far too ambiguous and open to subjective interpretations.

[Havoc]

Giving your kid a smack is not abuse. Dropkicking him out the window, THATS abuse (and pretty funny).

[dripik]

I think Havoc might have meant that beating children is a natural way of discipline, and 'abuse' is in another league.

...Seems like it. You posted right before me.

[Moosh da Outlaw]

Spanking/slapping kids is fine with me. My dad did it to me, and I turned out great; I feel like its taught me responsibility better than kids who were never physically punished. It hasn't given me any long-term affects because I knew that everytime my dad hit me, I deserved it, and it taught me never to do it again. No big deal.
Child abuse is a whole different discussion.

[Mac Sirloin]

'By beating them' is fucking ridiculous.

If you think-as Havoc said in the previous thread-that 'slapping a child on the head' is BEATING them then you're just as fucking dumb and up your own ass as I thought.

[Anonyman!]

Beat the chirruns and beat 'em gud.

[Wolfie-Dark Steef]

Umm . . . Is being beaten for not believing in Christianity count as correcting? I'm not being a smart-ass, I really want to know.

[Anonyman!]

No. That is abuse. I am not joking. That's fucking creepy.

My parents always loved me and accepted me for who I am.

[Leto]

Same lol. Bad luck Wolfboy.

If you think-as Havoc said in the previous thread-that 'slapping a child on the head' is BEATING them then you're just as fucking dumb and up your own ass as I thought.

What about when you don't actually hit the children, but you get one child's head and smash it into the other child's head? Then THEY did it.

actually happens in new zealand. kahui twins lol

[Strike Witch]

Umm . . . Is being beaten for not believing in Christianity count as correcting? I'm not being a smart-ass, I really want to know.

As long as you didn't pull any obnoxious neo-pagan shit out on them, of course not.

[skillyaslig]

I think its alright, to an extent, as long as you don't beat them senseless, just a good whack around the head would do. Bet they wouldn't be doing it again in a hurry. I mean, I got a few clips around the ear as a kid, so I know when to stop, and not what to do, unlike some of the pricks running around nowdays. Ugh

[Havoc]

Umm . . . Is being beaten for not believing in Christianity count as correcting? I'm not being a smart-ass, I really want to know.

I believe that parents should let their child decide on their own what faith he chooses if any. And any parent that would hit their kids for not believing in some vague story is fucking retarded.

[mudling]

No, I think that's horrible, as Havoc and others ahve said, I think parents should respect their children's faith, unless it is actually endangering somone else or something.
However, that been said, are you respecting their faiths (that is, not going around preaching to them 24/ 7)? or are they just beating you purley for the sake of trying to convert you (through physical means... hmm, how contridictory of their own religeon)?
Also Havoc, beliefs are not some vague story, the bible and believing in God are two very different things, the bible just happens to be part of belieiving in God, also, it's vague on purpose, for belieifs etc. anyways, I'm getting off toppic, but please at least release that some people here are sensitive of their faith.

[Havoc]

We're not gonna turn this topic in yet another religious debate so we'll just drop the subject.

[Zerox]

Because obviously beating children based on religion doesn't go against christianity's principles in the first place.

'tards.

[mudling]

That was my point, it does...
owell...
Yeah, I'll get to work on the merging (note I can't actually do it, so it will just be getting quotes from the other thread), I just got a new game, so it make take a while.