Militias and the 2nd ammendment

Statikk HDM · #1 03-20-2002, 07:43 PM

How many here believe the 2nd amendment to the constitution guarantees the right to keep and bear arms. Are guns evil, or is it the person weilding it? Do you think regulation and taxation of guns is wrong? What about waiting periods, for or against. Sorry, that was a shityload of questions but I jjust had to ask 'em. I didn't think this topic came up so now will be a good time to discuss it. (As for me, GUNS RULE!!!!)

Danny · #2 03-20-2002, 09:25 PM

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Originally posted by Statikk HDM
How many here believe the 2nd amendment to the constitution guarantees the right to keep and bear arms.

Depends. What's the 2nd Amendment? We're not all merkins here, remember...

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[/b]Are guns evil, or is it the person weilding it?[/b]

What a silly question. It all depends on what the person does with the gun. The argument for the banning of guns isn't that guns are evil, it's that it's a lot easier to shoot someone if you have one...

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Do you think regulation and taxation of guns is wrong?

Yes. They should be banned outright.

Sydney · #3 03-20-2002, 09:30 PM

When the American constitution was penned, America was a very different place. The right to have guns is outdated.

Guns are instruments of death. Since I'm against death, I'm against guns.

Sl'askia · #4 03-20-2002, 09:52 PM

Guns aren't evil...it's the person using it. I am not against someone having a gun provided they aren't a felon, can use it properly (have a permit), and are right in the head (not insane or mentally ill).
If we banned guns outright...the only ones with guns would be the military, cops, and the criminals (no matter what you do...if a criminal wants a gun...they'll get one...illegally). We can't always depend on the cops to protect us (think what happened in LA with cops abusing their power...) and no one I know of likes the idea of the military controling everything.
As for my personal personal feelings about guns themselves...I hate them. I wouldn't touch one with a 10 foot pole if I had a choice (unfortunately...every two years or so I have to the firing ranger to refresh on how to shoot a M-16, it sucks...those things are nearly as big as I am IRL).
I see guns as a cowards way to deal with their problems. If I had to fight (when talking fails)...I would much rather use something more 'personal', like a sword or my fists. (I have taken karate classes before *grin*)

Doug · #5 03-20-2002, 11:34 PM

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Originally posted by Danny
What's the 2nd Amendment? We're not all [Americans] here, remember...

Amendment II, Constitution of the United States of America:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

I personally support the right to arm bears.

Statikk HDM · #6 03-21-2002, 09:34 AM

All guns banned, Dan, holy shit! Well, anyway, what good would come of that? The minute a government starts to regulate guns, look at how they turn all police state on 'em and do illegal malarky. How did the holocaust start? It started after the guns were banned. China hates guns, same with japan, and look at all the anti rights things that happen over there. and once you start regulating and licensing, it is only a matter of time. Brittain, australia Canada all banned because people are at the whim of some powdered whig parliament. Also, guns aren't the prob, it is the criminal justice system over here that is messed up. Over 50 percent of crimes take place waiting for a trial, a 4.7 percent of black people are responisible for more than sixty percent of all black crime. !0 t0 life is often turned into three years and back on the streets because of "good behavior". Juvie justice is just as big, if not a biggerr travesty. Sixty days in juvie hall is the average for someone who rapes people with a weopon such ass a knife or a gun! Then they go back on the streets and commiit hundreds upon hundreds of crimes, some do thousands, costing almost 400 hundred thousand in damages and lives, which cannot be measured in mere money or property. The BAFT is also horrible, just look at Waco and the less publisicized case of Randy Weaver.

Lampion · #7 03-21-2002, 09:56 AM

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Originally posted by Doug
I personally support the right to arm bears.

Isn't it dangerous enough just to arm humans?

Doug · #8 03-21-2002, 02:40 PM

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Originally posted by Lampion

Isn't it dangerous enough just to arm humans?

Might as well make it a fair fight.

Gluk Schmuck · #9 03-21-2002, 07:08 PM

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Originally posted by Dragadon
(think what happened in LA with cops abusing their power...)

Want to expand on that?

Basically, more guns makes it more posibble for people to get shot.
Say there's a big room and that big room has 1000 monkeys in it if there are 1000 guns in there then there is likely to be more deaths than if there were no guns.

That's my theory anyway.

Jacob · #10 03-21-2002, 07:47 PM

Americans...calling them Merkins...never heard that b4...thats quite funni...LOL

Sl'askia · #11 03-21-2002, 09:08 PM

I'll try...

In some cities the police have been known to be corrupt (accepting bribes, discriminating against minorities, etc)...like the LA district (that' is the only city I know of for sure...). Some cops abuse there power because they feel they are above the law and can't be caught (because they are the cops). Recently more and more cops have been caught 'on the wrong side of the law', and they are the ones that are supposed to protect us!
Yes I know the majority of cops are really good guys...but with those 'bad cops' out there it is hard to know who to trust....

Danny · #12 03-21-2002, 09:39 PM

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Originally posted by Statikk HDM
All guns banned, Dan, holy shit! Well, anyway, what good would come of that?

For a start, less people would get shot... Say what you like, but obtaining guns illegally is a lot harder than obtaining the legally...

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The minute a government starts to regulate guns, look at how they turn all police state on 'em and do illegal malarky. How did the holocaust start? It started after the guns were banned.

Your knowledge of History is not so much apalling as just bizarre...

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China hates guns, same with japan, and look at all the anti rights things that happen over there.

America likes guns, and look at all the violent crime that goes on there.

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and once you start regulating and licensing, it is only a matter of time. Brittain, australia Canada all banned because people are at the whim of some powdered whig parliament.

Oh, thank god for that! For a moment there, I thought you might have had a clue what you were talking about... Thank you for allaying my fears...

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Also, guns aren't the prob, it is the criminal justice system over here that is messed up. Over 50 percent of crimes take place waiting for a trial, a 4.7 percent of black people are responisible for more than sixty percent of all black crime. !0 t0 life is often turned into three years and back on the streets because of "good behavior". Juvie justice is just as big, if not a biggerr travesty. Sixty days in juvie hall is the average for someone who rapes people with a weopon such ass a knife or a gun! Then they go back on the streets and commiit hundreds upon hundreds of crimes, some do thousands, costing almost 400 hundred thousand in damages and lives, which cannot be measured in mere money or property. The BAFT is also horrible, just look at Waco and the less publisicized case of Randy Weaver.

Real Statistics are misleading. Your Made-up Statistics are even more so. Besides, how can you accuse a Justice System that enforces the Death Penalty of being too lenient? No, actually, don't answer that one, we've already had that argument...

abe22 · #13 03-22-2002, 11:52 PM

I don't really like guns, have had a shot with three though (22 calibar rifle, slug gun and pistol.) It was kinda fun but it was very hard to hit the target. In my opinion guns don't kill people. People with guns kill people. I think people have a right to have a gun as long as they have a perment and arn't some sick weirdo or mentally ill person.

Sydney · #14 03-23-2002, 12:19 AM

People who claim the right to gun ownership for the purposes of protecting their family aren't aware that chances are higher for a child to stumble upon the weapon and blow their faces off than it is for a burglar/murderer to enter the home.

Picture this:
Scenario One
A thief enters a corner store armed with a shotgun. He demands the shopkeeper hand over the money. The shopkeeper hands over the money and the thief leaves. Nobody dies.

Scenario Two
A thief enters a corner store armed with a shotgun. He demands the shopkeeper hand over the money. The shopkeeper reaches under the counter and produces a handgun, much to the panic of the thief. The thief fires his shotgun and kills the shopkeeper, takes the money and flees. The shopkeeper's life has been extinguished because of the existence of guns.

Guns have no purpose other than to kill when not in the hands of law enforcement.

Another point to consider is that a person who normally wouldn't do such a thing might use the weapon in moments of extreme emotional stress. A woman who might carry a pistol for protection comes home early from work to see her husband in bed with another woman: in her fury she uses her gun to kill her husband and his mistress before shooting herself in the head. If she didn't have a gun her life would be back on track within a couple of years.

Guns cause unnecesary deaths.

Majic · #15 03-23-2002, 01:46 AM

Along time again when America defeated Britain, like osemoensaid before it was a different place. Think, they were musket. Thye were thinking of people having muskets hanging over their fire places unless the British attacked again. It was for protection, the whole world was different then. Terrorists and such were like not there, robberies and homicides werent everyday things...

Gluk Schmuck · #16 03-23-2002, 08:43 AM

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Originally posted by abe22
People with guns kill people.

Monkeys with guns kill monkeys.

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Originally posted by Majic_Abe
Along time again when America defeated Britain

I never knew America had a war with Britain. What was it about?

Danny · #17 03-23-2002, 10:17 AM

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Originally posted by Majic_Abe
Along time again when America defeated Britain,

Only because we let you win...

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Thye were thinking of people having muskets hanging over their fire places unless the British attacked again.

You've seen The Patriot, then?

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It was for protection, the whole world was different then. Terrorists and such were like not there, robberies and homicides werent everyday things...

Then, as now, these things depend on your point of view. Britain, for example, would probably have regarded the whole War of Independence as an act of terrorism...

Jacob · #18 03-23-2002, 11:20 AM

Britain have the best SAS in the world...they are trained in fire-arms but can also enter a area and exit it with the infomation required without firing or causing any un-nessary deaths.

America has rockets...rockets are big...they go boom when fired by a dictator that has revenge on his mind.

Pretzels are salty...they have the ability to kill pricks who eat them...unfortunatly some pricks collapse and with sheer luck the pretzel will be forced out of the air way.

Guns are bad...but so are people. People kill people, Guns just make it easier.

Steve · #19 03-23-2002, 05:22 PM

I believe that guns should be aloud but with very strict rules. nothing besides a handgun for civilians, much longer waiting period, very Thorough backround check ect. ect.

what is funny is that the British were defeated by a bunch of peasants whining about their taxes

Doug · #20 03-23-2002, 05:45 PM

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Originally posted by Steve
the British were defeated by a bunch of peasants whining about their taxes

Wow . . . yet more incisive historical interpretation in this topic.

Jacob · #21 03-23-2002, 06:14 PM

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what is funny is that the British were defeated by a bunch of peasants whining about their taxes

Im sorry, is this true or is this another comment like his 'The English taught the Native Americans how to scalp' comment. Which...not only made him seem like a simpleton...but also a lil retard child. And im gonna go out on a limb here...but wasn't that like...in the past...as in...before guns and SAS organisations...so...what does that have n e thing to do with the topic?

SeaRex · #22 03-23-2002, 06:39 PM

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Originally posted by Jacob
Americans...calling them Merkins...never heard that b4...thats quite funni...LOL

Yes, yes. All the Brits think its funny... "Ha ha!" to all us 'Merkins.

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Originally posted by Danny
Only because we let you win...

Ah, your just being a sore loser 'cuz you were beat by a bunch of peasants whining about their taxes!

Teal · #23 03-24-2002, 01:14 PM

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Originally posted by Majic_Abe
Along time again when America defeated Britain...

*scratches head* Eh? Did I miss something vitally important in my history lessons at school, or was this just a very bad reference to the American war of Independence?

Wah! I'm confused...!

Danny · #24 03-24-2002, 04:17 PM

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Originally posted by SeaRex
Ah, your just being a sore loser 'cuz you were beat by a bunch of peasants whining about their taxes!

Well, we burnt down your White House, so there...

Have you ever burnt down 10 Downing Street? Or even Buckingham Palace?

Jacob · #25 03-24-2002, 04:21 PM

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Well, we burnt down your White House, so there... Have you ever burnt down 10 Downing Street? Or even Buckingham Palace?

Did we?

I know that we defeated the Germans mostly on our own cos the Americans came in at the last min and said 'Dont worry...here we go...look...your winning now since we come!!' and we were like 'Yeh...kool' (The 'Kool' was sarcastic of corse)

Danny · #26 03-24-2002, 04:54 PM

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Originally posted by Jacob
Did we?

Near the end of the American War of Independence, Britain realised that it was losing. [No, hang on, I mean Britain realised it wanted to let the Americans win. Yeah, that sounds better...] In a fit of pique, Britain sent a small but well-trained army down from Canada, and burnt the White House to the ground. So far, we are the only nation in the world to have succeeded in doing that...

SeaRex · #27 03-24-2002, 06:13 PM

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Originally posted by Danny
Well, we burnt down your White House, so there... Have you ever burnt down 10 Downing Street? Or even Buckingham Palace?

Ah, but the White House is like body hair. If you destroy it, it just grows back thicker and fuller and more luxurious! (unfortunately...)

Steve · #28 03-24-2002, 08:13 PM

The revolutionary war started off due to people being annoyed by overly high taxes (taxation without representation) and yes jacob this is true, althought there were, as with all wars, other factors involved. as I said before(as a correction) scalping was practiced by small groups of indians but was not widespread until the french offered rewards for british scalps.

Jacob · #29 03-24-2002, 08:18 PM

Y r u so wrong Steve? Y...it was a firm belief that if u scalped/mutilated ur enemies corpse then the enemy cud not challenge u in heaven (The Native Americans heaven) and thus Scalping was a religion practised by many Indian tribes...the French thing...that cud of happened to...i dunno...ill ask. However...find proof of ur argument and then i shall bak down.

Steve · #30 03-24-2002, 08:55 PM

simply mutilating could have been but what group was this that believed it?

I shall try to find more sources to back my orgininal up.

additionally, those peasents also had help from french armys.