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07-21-2002, 02:12 AM
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Originally posted by Danny
This is an incredibly silly argument. Not everything has a maker. Go outside and touch a tree. Does that have a maker? No. Pick up a stone. Does that have a maker? No. Neither does the Universe.

Of course, you could say that these things do have a maker, that God was their maker, but in doing so you are admitting that your entire argument for proving God's existence depends on the assumption that he exists anyway.

Your argument: Everything has a maker. Tables are made by Carpenters, Computers are made by computer-makery people, plants and animals are made by God. By this logic, the Universe must have a maker as well. Let us call this maker God.

My return: Not everything has a maker. Tables and computers do, but plants and animals don't. Therefore the Universe does not have to either.

See? Your argument is dependent on the assumption that you are correct. If we remove that assumption and examine your argument analytically, it falls apart...
Well Dan let me ask you this:
Some say it is impossible to prove God's existence. But if that is true, how do they know this? Are there any proofs that prove it is impossible to prove God's existence.
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