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Originally posted by Dragadon
1: That is my point Syd. I am not attacking your beliefs, just how you presented it. You could have been hell of a lot nicer in your presentation of your beliefs. It's like with religion, if you present it the right way then I would be more willing to lend a listening ear.
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Point taken. But like I've said about three times already now, I was deliberately trying to provoke some heartfelt discussion, as the forums were getting quiet.
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Originally posted by Dragadon
2: It's not wrong for you to be a voice for them...it was your presentation I was attacking. See number 1.
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See above.
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Originally posted by Dragadon
Depends on what you are refering to as my 'brother and sister'. If it was human kin, of course not, they are family and I would defend them as viciously as a wilderbeast defends its calf from the lions.¹ I am sorry...but the 'what if someone ate babies' arguement is weak.² We don't see ourselves as an 'acceptable' source of food in the 'moderized' parts of the word. Those that do are considered criminals.
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¹What I was trying to say is that I protest to meat eating being a personal choice that must be respected, because in choosing to eat meat you are stripping another being of its choice to live. It's absurd that you expect respect but don't give it to those you eat. My sibling analogy was intended to make you see things from my perspective, in that you feel obliged to protect those who are being taken advantage of by pleasure-seekers. ²No, the baby-eating argument is not weak. Note that I didn't compare eating meat to eating babies, I only used it to show the futility of an argument revolving around morals.
ZombieX covered paramiteabe's post, so I'll skip it.
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Originally posted by Surfacing
I really don't see why you are attacking meat eaters anyway, what do you indeed to accomplish by trying to make us feel guilty about what we eat?
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I am attacking meat-eaters because they attack animals. As I've said countless times already, I'm merely pointing out the realities of your decisions. I just want to make people aware that meat eating is not essential, and that the reasons for meat-eating are based in selfishness.
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Originally posted by Surfacing
You have been consuming alcohol, and smoking weed and cigarettes before you were over the legal age right? You don't see me criticizing you about it, what you want do consume is entirely up to you no one else.
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Marijuana, tobacco and alcohol were never conscious beings with thoughts, feelings and emotions. The things I consume never had brains. You're forgetting that the animals you eat may not want to be consumed, so is it right for you to do so? If the things I consume are entirely up to me, then why not drop around my house and offer your brain for me to sautée. On second thoughts, it might not be much of a meal.
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Originally posted by LuxoJr
So Sydney, I'd appreciate your help if you could give me some advice on how you altered your diet when you made the switch. There's really no argument from healthy carnivores to say that it's worth harming a living creature because it 'tastes good'. And I'm a firm subscriber to the idea that we shouldn't take actions we can't justify properly.
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My transition from omnivore to a vegetarian began with originally eliminating red meat from my diet, then I eventually stopped eating fish and chicken. I suggest investing in a simple vegetarian cookbook, it will give you a lot of ideas on what to eat. As for altering your diet, just make sure you eat plenty of greens. There's plenty of wonderful soy products available. Since giving up meat I feel fresher, lighter and more motivated.