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Originally posted by pinkgoth2
No, not paid the same. BTW, if everyone had an equal chance of getting jobs, then wouldn't those with more passion for their job eventually get more respect than those that don't? It would set up a hierachy again (which I have no problem with).
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You're missing the point. People would have equal opportunities to get jobs. Some people will rise up in society, yes, but only because they deserve it and have earned it, not through the wealth of their parents or any other privilege.
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I realise that Russia are still stuck with socialism and communism is real in no country.
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Don't be silly. Socialism has never happened. What the USSR had was Stalinism. What Russia now has is Capitalism, plain and simple.
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Sorry, I don't like the idea of being regarded as equal to Einstein, or to one of those idiots in my school. I think people have to stop being afraid to call people who are lazy "lazy" and people who are stupid "stupid". I know I am stupid on many accounts, but at least I know it, and I try to get rid of that. Like, how did manson say? "You should take an IQ test before they allow you breed" or something along those lines. I'd probably fail *laughs* but I still believe in that.
Equality in getting jobs and such... but wouldn't it in the end land up either as the people giving jobs picking the best out anyway, or the injustice of first-come-first-get would set in. Imagine how frustrating it would be to have some incompetent nerd snatch a job you would be good at away from you.
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You're missing the point. Of course you are equal to Einstine. You may not be as intelligent as he was, but in an ideal society (IE a Communist one), you would have had the opportunity to become as intelligent as he was (if you wanted to, of course).
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Capitalism has something to do with race and gender? The idealogy of it? I don't think so. It may be practised like that, but that's easy for you to say - since Communism isn't practised, and thus can only be discussed in theory!
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Okay, you're right, I'll forget the bit about Race and Gender. But the bit about Class still stands, though, since having a Class System is practically the foundation of Capitalism.
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As for money: If you earn it, you did something for it (yes, there are flaws in the system, and they are hard to spot, but that does not condemn the entire system) So, if you have more money (in theory) you have done more,.
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On the other hand, if you inherit it, or if you get a cushy no-work-lots-of-money job on account of your social status, have you earned it?
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you have more expirience, you have deserved it, and thus probably also deserve whatever job you're applying for. (I, for example, heed a deep hatred for the population here in germany that are actually downright too lazy to work. I am talking too lazy. They admit it, even. Not those who really cannot help it)
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Okay, you are badly wrong here. You are assuming that anybody who wants to get a decent education and get a decent job is able to. This is not true under a Capitalist System, as that sort of thing will
always go to the privileged. Communism, on the other hand, is based on ensuring that
nobody is privileged or underprivileged.
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Background: Isn't it fair for someone to get a job if they know their way about it?
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*bangs his head against a wall* Listen! How is somebody going to get to "know their way about it"? Through Education. In a Capitalist Society, the best education goes to those with the richest parents. Under Communism, all education is available to all.
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I still think it is shortsightedness that is really corrupting Capitalism, and not the idea of Capitalism itself. As I said before, if you have money, you earned it (most of the time).
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No. Most of the time, money comes through Privilege. I think that the whole idea of a society based around accumulating as much money as possible is fundamentally flawed.