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On my phone, so I won't bother with quotes:

1. Breaking down one of my posts, seemingly ignoring the points that myself and other have made, is not evidence of you reading "each post".

2. If you can't understand the difference between something being part of the actual story, or art piece, and something being in "the back of the book" or "in the liner notes", there's no point trying to argue with you about it.

3. A personal affront to me in particular? It's a bit disrepectful to all the fans, and I happen to be one of them, which is why I said "as a fan". It frightens me how much you trivialize qualifiers like that, and the significance in difference between a two distinctly functional punctuation marks. By switching them, you transformed my sentence into an "if, then" statement. It also amuses me that you consider "personal stakes" and childish name calling somehow the same.

4. The product placement does have a tangible negative impact on the game. Several reviewers commented negatively on that aspect. There's really no arguing that. And the idea that more people putting product placement into their games isn't adding to the problem because it's already all around is ludicrous.

5. I haven't ever said that JAW didn't have the right to freely make their game how they see fit. Also, acknowledging the creators' decisions does not mean that you must agree with them.

6. I'm quite clearly not hiding anything about my argument, as the PM I sent you as it basically restates most of my points from my previous post. I was merely trying to avoid restating the point in the thread, as the PM shifted focus toward the nature of our argument rather than our stances themselves.

7. I think it's safe to say that most of us here identify ourselves with Oddworld at least a little in some way, and I think you'll find great works of art have that affect on people. You own Oddworld merchandise, and have over 9,000 posts on a forum dedicated to a series that was more or less dead for nearly a decade, so yes, even you identify yourself as an Oddworld fan.

Basically, your entire argument is that "JAW has the right to make this game how they want to" -- a point I never once disagreed with. If that's a testiment to anything, it's your lack of ability to take things at face value. Disagreeing with their decision and claiming that they have no right to make that decision are two completely different things, but your difficulty to recognize nuanced differences like that seems to be a common theme in this argument.

I'm done arguing now. You would rather the ads be in the main menu. I would rather the ads be in the main menu.