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07-07-2014, 03:19 PM
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Difference being that the religious are the equivalent of trying to convince you that 7 x 2 = 9. And the non-religious are going 'the fuck? Here's a calculator.'. Which, of course, prompts the religious people to reprogram the calculator you provided them so it says 7 x 2 = 9.

If the internet taught me one thing it's that religious people can not be debated with, period. And I've debated with a lot of them. Never once have I heard someone say 'hm, you might have a point there' (except for our very own STM). You can throw a metric fuck ton of facts at them and they will just respond with even more nonsense.

It's like discussing nuclear physics with a 2 year old.
It's not enough to know that you're right and they're wrong, and to say so. And certainly not to do so with that belligerent, devil-may-care attitude. If this is a problem that needs to be fixed, and that's not quite the phrasing I would use but I'm effectively on board, then you need a tactic that will actually work. And your plan is crap. At once we're saying that we have to object all the time, and also that debating them doesn't work, and also here's an example of debating them actually working. That tells me that we've got some home turf issues to sort out before we start worrying about anyone else's.

Exceptions prove the rule, yes. They prove the rule wrong. I know people who used to be religious. They tell me that being rude and condescending does not convince people, and I think I knew that already. They also tell me that they think they were worth talking to.
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