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I'm not defending Havoc. At all. But I think there's no problem with a child being educated about sex, or with them seeing a naked human body (as long as it's not in their vicinity with dubious intent). In fact, I think children would probably be safer from sexual predators should they be taught the basics of human reproduction and sexual behaviour, since they would have a clearer idea of what is right and what isn't (and especially since children do respond sexually - very young toddlers have been observed to masturbate - which could add to their confusion should they fall victim to a paedophile).
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Alright, I've never thought of it that way. You make an excellent point and i agree with that.
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It should be researched, first and foremost, for the pursuit of knowledge. Assuming something to be true has never done anything to help us progress as a society or as humankind. Shouting at the top of your longs that children have no sexuality and slamming the book closed does not make it true.
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First, I’m not shouting at the top of my lungs. Do you see any exclamation points in there? If my post came off as standoffish, I didn’t mean it to. I just find the idea of researching child sexuality to be ridiculous.
Okay, I’ll admit I was too hasty shooting down the idea of research. I guess I just found the idea of it too absurd and disgusting, so it affected my feelings on the subject. I still don’t believe there is any form of sexuality in children and until I see any real evidence, I’m not changing my stance.
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There have been many individual low level (no media national media attention) cases where children were sexually involved with an adult and freely admitted to authorities that they enjoyed the interaction.
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So what? The adults should still be imprisoned for it. There was probably a lot of manipulation from the adult as usual. Just because the child liked it, does not make it okay. That’s not exactly proof of child sexuality
Child molesters are very persuasive and manipulative with children. I’m not saying children are ‘too stupid’ or ‘detached’ to understand sex and consent to it, but they’re certainly not mature enough on an emotional level to do so. (To give consent)
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And since you love facts to much, this is a commonly known one:
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I’ll admit I did not know this. But to what extent though? Can the toddler actually have an orgasm or is this just simple arousal?
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I'm not saying it should be researched to justify pedophilia. Not at all. It needs to be researched because currently the perception we have of children's sexuality is wrong. Simple as that. And no, I don't know how wrong it is. Hence... research.
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I didn’t say you did either, I was just saying I can see child molesters using this to justify molesting children. They try to do it with their victims by passing off what they’re doing as ‘love’.
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Even if a child does turn out to have very active sexuality it doesn't instantly mean it should be stimulated. If it exists it is important that it is documented if only for the sake of knowing it exists.
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Fine, perhaps it’s worth researching evidence of child sexuality, but I highly doubt it’s very active and on the level of an adult.
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It wasn't a statement, it was a series of legitimate questions. I was curious to hear the answers and the reasoning.
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Okay, I jumped the gun on that one too soon, but the way the question was presented gave some red flags.
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Again, I'm not promoting pedosexuality here, still just curious to the reasoning. Why is it not okay to do something that a child obviously enjoys? I don't see how there is something wrong with that act itself since no-one is being harmed in that particular moment.
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It’s wrong because children aren’t mentally/physically/emotionally mature enough to have sex or even be stimulated in any sexual manner. Just because it felt good to the child does not make it okay. This is the same reason why it’s not okay for 40 year-old men to have sex with 16 year-old girls(and vice versa gender wise). Even if it’s consensual, they’re not mature enough emotionally and mentally to give consent. Isn’t that why we say you must be 18 to give consent anyway?
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However as the child grows up they might learn that what they did at a younger age is deemed 'wrong' by society. As a result they might get a completely different view on what was at the time an enjoyable experience. They might start seeing themselves as victim who was abused.
So... IF the child grows up to regret a sexual encounter with an adult, is it not society's fault for constantly telling the child how wrong and disgusting it was?
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No, it’s the adults fault for manipulating and brainwashing them into thinking it was okay to begin with. We don’t blame the children for getting caught up with the adult; we blame the adult because the child it too young to know any better and the adult knows the full extent of what he’s/she’s doing. We have to assume here that the adults are manipulating the children, which most child molesters tend to do.
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I know there's not a lot of people here (if any) who are open minded enough to calmly discuss this subject. I don't mind being on the controversial side of an argument. But I'm spotting a trend where, whenever this subject comes up, the only response I seem to get is "NO! You're wrong! Go away!". If you want to tell me I'm wrong, please explain why I'm wrong and I'll gladly adjust my opinion and views.
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I apologize if I said anything that was standoffish and aggressive. But you should know that this particular subject is going to incite some negative responses as with any controversial topic. I understand a lot of the points you made in this topic and I can see why you would have your point of view the way it is. I don’t agree with it one bit, but I understand.