[Havoc]

can you really blame them for not wanting to take the 'gamble' with their children, Havoc? can you really blame them?

No, I can't and I won't. Especially if a convicted child molester comes to live in your street you'll always keep an eye on him because he's crossed the line before. But there's a difference between keeping an eye on someone but trying to give them a second chance, and chasing them out of the city with pitchforks and torches.

i didn't know wanting to fuck kids made you a victim. if anything i thought it made you a potential perpetrator. it's no different from rape, because it's no different from rape. simples.

A sexual attraction to young children is classed as a decease. And with the way the current society handles pedophiles they might as well be a victim. They can try and keep their feelings to themselves for their entire life and be a role model citizen, the moment someone else somehow finds out they will treat that person as a perverted freak of nature. I can see how that would be pretty depressing to go through.

Rape is rape and rape is bad. There's no-one here who disagrees with you on that.

and Havoc about the whole 'being gay used to be illegal' argument, i don't see many kids protesting for the legalization of paedophilia/whatever, do you? also gay couples still have consenting sex (even when it was illegal), otherwise it's rape. since when do kids have sex? since when do they consent to it? in some abstract article clipped out of a shitty magazine? i have no pity for their fucking joke of a plight.

I was referring to the state of mind of the society we live in. Any abnormal sexual desire, be it pedophilia, zoophilia, BDSM, swingers, whatever, is considered something unnatural and sick until it is somehow shown that it isn't as bad as people make it out to be. In the case of pedophilia there's a very large area of 'unknown'. There's the basic notion that sexuality is something meant for adults. Kids are deemed pure as long as they don't see anything related to sexuality. The US is particularly good at this, completely freaking out the moment a child could see a naked breast or a penis. The horror!

There's also the basic notion that children don't HAVE a sexuality and are 100% unable to enjoy sex until they hit puberty, which is non-sense. And of course the most interesting one of all; children are unable to consent because they don't know what they are consenting to. The irony here being that a child doesn't know anything about sex because no-one ever bothers to tell them anything about it other than "it's for grown ups and it's dirty, stay away from it".

Now, I'm not saying it should be legal to have sex with children. Too many people on the planet who would abuse such a thing. But the basic idea that society now has that children are completely unable to enjoy sex or consent to it is inaccurate at best and ideally requires a lot of research to confirm. Unfortunately the general consensus prevents this from happening anytime soon. No credible research institution is going to waste their reputation by handling something as controversial as a child's sexuality.

What about these freaks who are in love with horses or tigers? Same deal. Animals can't consent. It's rape. It'll always be fucked up rape. Someone who has crossed the line to rape will always have more in common with other rapists than they ever have with normal people who have a psychological block on rape.

It's interesting how the comparison with zoophilia is always made when discussing this subject. It provides for some interesting insights.

If a dog is humping someone's leg and the person allows it, is he raping the dog because the dog obviously can not consent? If a girl gets on her knees and the dog jumps onto her is the girl raping the dog? If a man is doing a female horse and the horse pushes back into his motion, is the horse consenting or being raped? If a child is touched sexually and enjoys it, is it still rape? If the child initiates the sexual touch, is that consent?

It's not as black and white as society makes thing out to be. It's a subject no-one dares touch because everyone seems to agree everything is just fine. Out of sight, out of mind.