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you're both right. obviously torture is horrible and there is a risk that information may be false/incorrect, but remember there are people who make torture and interrogation their profession, to them it's just a job. these people may not even exist in the official sense, but i imagine such a hazardous job pays well, and for some people that's motive enough. my point being people who are paid to do their job are usually adept at it.

talking of good coming from bad, half the scientists that joined/started NASA were originally working for the Nazi's on their 'space program'. they were pardoned or let off or whatever after the war because suddenly they were useful again as tools to help further a different faction's interests. basically their juicy brains. hypocrisy is everywhere and in everyone.

let's be honest, good and bad really are just points of view at the end of the day. if the Axis Powers had won WW2, or if Genghis Khan just hadn't stopped, or if the Romans had gone for world domination and come off on top, or all three, anything, we would all have very different views on good/bad, morality and ethics generally. that's because history is written by the victors, and we are the readers.

they tell us what is right and wrong, good and bad, because we can't think for ourselves. we're spoonfed their shit up until the point we refuse it, and make our own minds up. that's all governments are for; to keep the majority of the population under control via any means neccessary, and to do so as fucking stealthily and off the record as possible. that way the likelyhood of any unsavoury actions/decisions coming back to haunt them are eliminated, because they never did it. someone else did.

imagine if everyone just rejected their government, there'd be no need for it's existence anymore, that in itself means we're not allowed to do that. too many old men the world never see's chortling in smoking rooms have invested too much of their time and money and life to watch it all disappear. power itself corrupts.