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09-10-2012, 06:52 AM
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All that legislation does is punish vulnerable children while failing to protect them in any way. The parents make that decision on their behalf will have to live with it. The children may very well not.

We already have laws in place that remove children from the custody of the unfit. We already have laws to protect children from abusive parents. This is the same thing. I don't need to tell you what a responsibility kids are. Not vaccinating them is a complete failure of that responsibility.

Even when you are vaccinated, they usually have about a 90% success rate. It might not take for whatever reason, or an immune individual can be overwhelmed by infection if heavily exposed. For example, if everyone around them is sick. That's why outbreaks include the vaccinated, but the resistance provided by the vaccination limits that spread like a wall. A wall weakened by non-vaccinated persons, who tend to be the source anyway, often upon returning from foreign countries. They put everyone at risk.

And sure, segregating them might help, assuming you can segregate them everywhere, which you can't. And if you think segregation is less of a "rights" issue than having everyone vaccinated. And then those people will likely gather together, assemble non-vax schools so meet their kid's needs, because it is unreasonable to expect them all to be hermetically sealed all their lives. They already tend to cluster in communities because of the way these ideas spread. And then when an infection hits them, as it no doubt will at some point, the results will be devastating. And then maybe some of them will learn. Maybe. But that kind of lesson cannot come too early and always comes too late to be of any use.

This is a public health issue. PUBLIC. It affects everyone. So yes, I bloody well do get a say in whether other people vaccinate their children, as does everyone. And forgive me for not supporting a "right" to which I can point and say, "that's why those people died." That, so help me, I might one day point to and say, "that's why my daughter died." Fuck. That.

It is abuse. Nothing less. I will not stand for it.
How many of these people do you think there are? You think there are enough to start their own society with schools, and everything even without the help of government funding? I think probably not.

I'm not saying that it isn't an issue, and I'm not saying that the solution of disallowing them government funded social programs is a great solution, but it's the difference between an authoritarian fascist government removing personal rights from individuals without even being able to show legitimate harm, or hopefully causing the parents enough distress, and inconvenience that they conform to the societal standards. And therein lies the problem. Without the child getting sick you can not legitimately show harm, relegating your arguments to the land of the hypothetical, which will never stand up in any ethical court. Nor should it.
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