Maybe you're missing my point. The 'bad examples' you talk about are the ONLY ones I'm talking about, but what annoys me is that it SEEMS like a majority. I'm NOT tarring everyone with the same brush, and I've made some clear distinctions.
Also, I've already addressed all of those 'additional points' which you listed. Let's see;
so really, you only have two qualifying points in your little list, and even those are not as simple as you make them out to be. different people and different situations can't just be lumped into separate categories. this isn't a game, this is life, and these are peoples lives. take off your black & white goggles and see the shit that we are in.
- I've already said that there are people in different situations. That was part of my argument throughout.
there's no effect if there's no cause. basically, something sparked this whole fiasco, and it escalated. when a person is unhappy, they will only take so much shit before they bite back. change that one unhappy person to a portion of a pissed off nation, and of course things are gonna fuck up royally. but why were they unhappy in the first place? why did it get to the point where they stepped outside the law? yeah, some people joined in for pathetic reasons and took advantage of the situation, but that's herd behaviour. it doesn't excuse their crimes, but it doesn't mean they are totally to blame for this grand shit storm either. open your eyes.
- You answered this one all by yourself. "A little fire can produce a lot of smoke too."
my point was that you can sit on your high horse for as long as you like, but the painfully obvious fact remains that we're all in the same boat. we all pay for these things, even those on the dole. you really are blinded by your own sense of superiority if you think for one nanosecond that people on the bottom rung of the social ladder have it easy.
- Yes, we all pay for these things. Except individuals in work have to pay higher taxes, and pay for things with their own money. And they have to work for that money. Like I said.
More ad hominem. Fantastic.
- That wasn't ad hominem, that was a general point. Don't buy luxuries then complain that you're strapped for cash, because then you only have yourself to blame.
how they spend their money is not your concern. a lot of these people are older and obviously wiser than you are, and yet you seem to want to treat them like they're all scammers, criminals or spongers. why? so what if someone pays for a tattoo? or smokes cigarettes? how in the grand fuck is that anything to do with you? you're stepping into oppression, here.
- I can't even believe this. It's nothing to do with oppression. My point is, don't splash out on a bunch of luxuries you don't need AND THEN EXPECT TO CONVINCE ME YOU'RE NOT GIVEN ENOUGH MONEY. I'm pretty sure I'd be broke too if I decided to buy a bunch of things I wanted in one month. But I wouldn't then be obnoxious enough to complain that I wasn't getting paid enough at work.
but at the end of the day, you're talking shit and will not take 'no' for an answer. that isn't a debate, that isn't even an argument, that's someone who has no intentions of changing their stance at all, in the hope that we'll eventually start bargaining with them like some spoiled child in the supermarket. because, after all, you're right.
- I'd be happy to change my mind if someone brought up an argument compelling enough. It just hasn't happened yet.
i've been there, there is no pot of gold waiting for you at the end of each week.
- But was it bad enough for you to have to steal to support yourself? Would you consider the hardship to be extenuating circumstances for someone committing crime?
it's disgraceful, to be honest, for you to think that you have the right, like some 'free pass', to be such a hard-nosed cunt when it isn't you that's struggling and you have such feeble reasons to support it.
- So I'm not allowed to have an opinion. Now who's flying into the zone of oppression? I could say exactly to same thing. What gives you such a right to criticise my point of view?
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