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But he lives in Netherlands! How is that possible?
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Oh come on. It's
Havoc. Up until recently, the guy was sexually aroused by god damned tigers. Impossibilities + Havoc = MOST LIKELY SOLUTION
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I refuse to believe I'm being 'trolled' if my understanding of the term is correct (and it might not be, I didn't know what a troll was until recently and I'm still not certain) these aren't the signs of trolling. Mostly because to an idiot his arguments might seem valid and well put together.
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Do yourself a favor. Search the majority of Havoc's posts. More importantly, any thread that has the word 'debate' attached to it. Look for a common theme in the way he posts his opinions and what happens after he does. He's more clever than you're giving him credit for. He's a fucking creep, but he's smart.
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Also, you can "refuse to believe" whatever the fuck you want, but take it from someone who's seen Havoc piss a lot of people off, myself included, plenty of times over the years, more often than not, the guy is just looking for results and lolz. So you can keep mashing your keyboard with righteous indignation until your fingers are raw and your eyes are bleary, but I assure you that in the end, Havoc will have the last laugh. Because you're the one who's getting pissy, not him. Which is what a fucking TROLL goes for. That's something I speak from experience on.