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Originally posted by PinkHaired Mudokon CWR
Um I know what it's called.
At 3 weeks after conception a baby's heart begins beating.
At 6 weeks after conception a baby's brain waves are traceable.
At 11 weeks after conception all of the baby's internal organs are present and functioning
THEY ARE LIVING AND THEY DO THINK! GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT! So they are living and it's not too late. Your also wrong because They are also conscious too and they are human and they are CHILDREN!
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I never said they weren't living. Of course they are living. That doesn't make them thinking beings. A fly's brain waves are "traceable", that doesn't mean that they think...
And they are certainly not Children. Not Biologically, not Mentally, not Morally, not Physically, and not Legally.
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The Jews example was not mines ya maniac. It is relating too this topic.
You really don't know anything about abortion or the fetus. It's sick to think that abortion is a good idea. I thought you were smarter than this.
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Please don't start with the personal insults. I thought we were doing quite well in having a civilised conversation, then you have to go and call me a sick, stupid maniac...
I think the main problem here is that we have different definitions of what a "Child" is.
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child n.
1: a young person of either sex (between birth and puberty); "she writes books for children"; "they're just kids".
2: a human offspring (son or daughter) of any age; "they had three children"; "they were able to send their kids to college".
3: an immature childish person; "he remained a child in practical matters as long as he lived"; "stop being a baby!".
4: a member of a clan or tribe; "the children of Israel".
5: a youthful female person; "the baby was a girl"; "the girls were just learning to ride a tricycle".
6: a youthful male person; "the baby was a boy"; "she made the boy brush his teeth every night"; "most soldiers are only boys in uniform".
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If you look at definition 1, you will see that it specifies that the being in question must be "between birth and puberty", and so Foetuses are not children.
While I'm here:
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infanticide \In*fan"ti*cide\, n. [L. infanticidium child murder; infans, -antis, child + caedere to kill: cf. F. infanticide. See Infant, and Homicide.] The murder of an infant born alive; the murder or killing of a newly born or young child; child murder.
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So it is not relevant to Abortions.
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murder \Mur"der\, n. [OE. morder, morther, AS. mor[eth]or, fr. mor[eth] murder; akin to D. moord, OS. mor[eth], G., Dan., & Sw. mord, Icel. mor[eth], Goth. ma['u]r[thorn]r, OSlav. mr[=e]ti to die, Lith. mirti, W. marw dead, L. mors, mortis, death, mori, moriri, to die, Gr. broto`s (for mroto`s) mortal, 'a`mbrotos immortal, Skr. m[.r] to die, m[.r]ta death. [root]105. The offense of killing a human being with malice prepense or aforethought, express or implied; intentional and unlawful homicide.
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Here is where we fall over. It states that murder is "killing a human being", so Abortion is not Murder unless Foetuses are Human Beings. Scouring dictionary.com has brought me no answers here...
I believe that they are not Human Beings, and you believe that they are. That seems to be the only point of contention here that dictionary.com has not resolved...