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12-18-2010, 04:58 PM
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Pascal's Wager is so flawed that even Pascal, a celebrated mathematician and progenitor or probability theory, did not consider it valid. It is religious hucksterism of the cheapest, nastiest, most vulgar kind it is possible to imagine. It says "what have you got to lose?" Quite a lot, I should think, but that is another story. "What have you got to lose? I've got a good offer for you! Come into my used-car lot! Come on baby, just lie a little, and you'll never know!" Don't talk to me like that, and don't call it piety when you do. As if one can simply believe in the obscene by sheer force of will. You imply your god is both very cynical and very stupid. One who is either fooled by this or else says "I notice you make a profession of faith just there, and I also know why you did: in aid of gaining favour with me. Well that's all right then, come on in!" That is a contemptible thing, a contemptible person, and a contemptible god (nothing new there). And were I to find myself sitting, surprised, before your god in a celestial tribunal, no lawyer, no jury of my peers, no appeal, no order (why the faithful want this to be true, I'll never know), all I will be able to say is "I was honestly unable to believe the word of your Earthly representatives." Not that any particular outcome at this point is very attractive to me at this point.

But I turn the point back at you. Suppose, having believed all your life, presumably on actual faith and not this petty gambit, you find yourself before the celestial tribunal, and it's the wrong god. Who is in the worse position now, eh? You'd best hope that the real thing isn't the jealous type, like the one that you had bet on. Thousands of human gods (I've seen the lists), an infinite number of possible gods no one has yet thought of, no reason to believe that any are true or reflect in any way any actual gods, and there you are, believing to be true the religion that you happened by the sheerest chance to be born into. Which itself takes the arrogant and egocentric to the extremes and beyond. I can expand on this further. But how confident are you, really? Keep in mind that the exact same source of confidence and faith you may hold to be true in the deepest reaches of your person is identical to that of those of all the other religions that have ever existed.
Okay I admit my petty gambit is wrong, but I didnt put as much thought into it as I should have and that is a fault in me not my religion, no matter what religion you look at you must allow for some human error. and say I do end up at the celestial tribunal and it's the wrong god, I can at least say I tried. If you were blind in an open field with a gun with one bullet and you knew there was a man that would kill you if you didnt shoot first would you stand there second guessing yourself and get killed or would you take a blind shot hoping to hit something. me personally I would rather take the shot

note: I was never intending to offend anyone and if I did I apologise
and for the record I was not born in my religon
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