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07-20-2010, 05:48 PM
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You guys all fail at defending atheism. Innate morality isn't to do with your own or anyone else's happiness; it's about not causing harm to others. To put it another way, the fundamental tenant of atheistic ethics is "Do unto others as you would have done unto you".

I don't steal from anyone because that would hurt them and I don't like harming others. I don't murder, rape or pillage because I wouldn't want that done to myself.

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I read that article, Nate, and that guy is basically just saying "I'm against religion, so I can enjoy everything in life, even the sinful, lustful pleasures of it, and you can't argue against me because I ignore everyone else." To me, that guy seems to be the ignorant one.
I don't know what article you read, but the one I posts had nothing to do with that. He didn't talk about sinful pleasures at all. The closest mention I can see to anything that could possibly interpret as being sinful is the one mention of 'sex', and seeing as he's happily married I don't see how that can be sinful.

He's ultimately saying that religious people do 'good' only because their religion tells them to, whilst atheists do 'good' because they've considered the options, debated ethics and decided on the right thing to do. This means that they have to engage fully with the world and can never blame anyone but themselves for their own failings.
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