My point is that it's pointless to argue against faith because it doesn't rely on what makes arguments valid. If you're crazy for being able to see a jar on the table thatn no one else does, you might as well have been crazy in earlier times for suggesting that there are rays of energy surging around everywhere and are completelt indetectable by human senses. Faith just is, it can't be touched. It can certainly be thrown out the door though.
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