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09-14-2009, 12:18 PM
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2025 is when our oil reserves will be officially tapped out.
Here's the solution; ride a fucking bike.
Not true. My dad works for an oil company (his job's to do with getting petrol station contracts rather than anything to do with oil itself) and he's also told me plenty about the fuel state (before you go "BOO EVIL OIL COMPANY CORPORATE SUIT", no. He's not saying oil is clean/eco friendly, just that we're not running out s badly as the media reckons.). There's much more than 16 years of fuel left. Much more. Under Siberia alone there's decades supply of oil left. Of course the cost of getting it out is immense and almost negates it, but the supply is not as low as everybody thinks. Everyone hears of wells running dry, nobody hears the stories of how dry wells are re-tapped.

The problem's not the amount of fuel left, it's the fact it's gonna fuck up the atmosphere and ozone so bad it won't matter that we've got plenty left. And so called green fuels like vegetable oil cause equal pollution, just with different gases. Solar/Electric power's the way to go but is currently impractical. Or Fusion, but again we're not there yet.


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Havoc appears to be missing the point that birth rates have already dropped significantly across the Western world. The USA has a birth rate of 2.05, which means that they're only just keeping a constant population from generation to generation (though the childhood mortality rate will mean that they're probably not even doing that). Australia and many other countries has a birth rate well below 2.

In order to solve overpopulation, you would have to focus your efforts on the third world. And, frankly, there are a lot of other issues you would have to solve before that. You'd need to educate the population on birth control, you'd need to set up some sort of social security infrastructure so that people are supported in their old age when they only have one or two children. You would essentially need to create a middle class out of nowhere so that families could support themselves without having such a large number of children.

And, frankly, if you managed to acheive all that, you wouldn't need to mandate low birth rates - it would happen on its own.




In case you're interested: List of countries and their birth rates.
Maybe so but as recently as last week there was news that in the UK the population's rocketed again and there's more people here than anybody thought. There's still a population overflow in the West as well as the 3rd world countries.


Also T-nex made an excellent point on the issue of "freedom not to have children". Dunno what more to say on that really.
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