[Munch's Master]

Not extrapolating? How about the whole "Its ok to them be proud but not wave it in your face, actually, they cant even be proud" stuff on page 2? Whether a joke or not thats just discrediting peoples arguments by twisting what they say and taking it beyond what they said.

Maybe I used the wrong words for 1-party government, my mistake. I meant 1-leader.

I understand what youre saying on the burkha issue but a female rights movement is unlikely to spring up in the Muslim community as that has been their way of life for so long. I do know a Muslim woman who strongly objects to the Burkhas, thinks they should be banned, and has said as much to other Muslims, so it is possible, but unlikely as she is in the stark minority. And guess what? She tends to be rejected by other Muslims for her views. I recognise that forcing/advising change could result in drastic backlash, but simply sitting back and waiting does no help.

I did actually say that a ghetto is never good. That does include if youve only got white people. But I was talking about how you get occassional areas where a single ethnic race (whether white, black, Asian, African, American, whatever) moves in and entirely excludes everyone not of that race as if they dont exist.Thats why I was talking about mingling/integration. Also, I NEVER said that "all non-white regions become ghettos", I think you'll find it was joshkrz who mistakenly said that. I said there are several "ghettos" across the UK in various regions, where said exclusion goes on. Imagine the outcry if a white-heavy area excluded a black person. People would cry racism, I'm sure you would also say it was racist. That's the exact same situation as I'm talking about. Exclusion is wrong whoever commits it. And my definition of ghetto is not referring to a poverty stricken area. MY definition of ghetto is a residencial area that is largely/entirely inhabited by 1 nationality/ethnicity, who refuse to reach/branch out to other nearby nationalities. I don't know of any better term so I use the word ghetto.

I say about the languages because there's situations where you can be chatting to people then suddenly 2 of them will converse in their own language during the conversation, excluding whoever does not speak that language. I DID say private life is private life and should be left be, dont try and take that differently. And of course I dont wish to eavesdrop. I'm merely saying that a peacefully coexisting society tends to work better when everyone can understand each other- understanding on any level, whether politically, motive-wise, linguistically, or whatever. I certainly feel more comfortable when I can understand conversations going on- whether I am listening to them or not. Plus its an act of courtesy as much as anything- as somebody else said, when in Rome. Going to another country and refusing to use their language is not exactly courteous. How often have Americans for instance been villified for going to other places and refusing to adapt? When I've been to Spain, the Spanish people have much preferred it when I spoke Spanish instead of English. Again, Im not saying entirely cut it out. Speak whatever you wish in private.


Still, this will get nowhere as we appear to have 2 completely different opinions. But I would like it if you at least respected mine, instead of simply calling me full of bullshit.