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01-28-2009, 10:36 AM
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(I quote the whole thing here just so that nothing's out of context, points are bolded)

Christians did indeed see themselves as the oppressed; and as time-tested tactics tell us, people who are acting in desperation are the easiest to control when a figure of 'stability' or 'leadership' takes the reigns. "Come children, we have exactly what you need." Using the very essential basics of moral conduct that religion teaches at its foundation, and adding in a lot of extra hoo-ha, the whole resulting 'belief system' becomes something that followers cannot only just swallow, but are also more than willing to do so through its veil of 'good intention.'

So can we look at the ruling class on a quest for power? Could we consider that controlling man's mind is indeed absolute power? We look at history and all its accounts of man's 'leaders,' whether they are religious leaders or other social leaders and, exactly as you put it, the 'ideas' and 'beliefs' tend to have a way of working their way down through the ranks either through ways that are directly 'forceful' (believe or die).... or through less direct yet similarly effective ways which are to make the beliefs or ideas a 'social trend' ... so that they overtake the mind/individual by what's been termed 'tyranny of the majority;' the idea that what is commonly accepted/socially acceptable is right.

The Bible does not have to depict Satan. When this idea written of Satan in the Bible is 'elaborated upon' by religious leaders, the follower's minds do all the work in making the association. So then the critical question in response to this is then: why has the stereotype of Satan been the horned devil being that it has been for centuries... and where have we seen this figure before? This goes much deeper than 'black and white' terms of ugly vs beautiful that it may appear to be to you on the surface. Where did the depiction come from? How can absolute power be attained by letting other 'options' or 'belief systems' stay available to those you are trying to control? Look at modern times.... are we still seeing this today?



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I think this fits well into the subject, because it's easy to see historical figures as two dimensional... we may have never known them personally, and without this personal firsthand experience things, in our own perception tend to be unbased, as we have no real 'foundation' to base these people/thoughts/experiences upon. What I'm saying is that anything outside of our own perception and experience is not concrete unless we're willing to take secondhand information as evidence or proof without critical thought and think we then know all about it.
I can find no fault in this except to say this. I believe that there is very little difference between modern man and ancient man. This leads me to believe that since modern day zealots rarely take the strategy of consciously trying to mislead and instead use their own fear and mistaken translations of text to cow people into believing what they do, the ancient Christians most likely did the same. I'm going to quote myself here.
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Isn't it much more likely (and true) that they merely saw the unattractive as being of the devil and the foolish, frightened people attributed drawings they saw of pagan gods as being the devil manifest?
They did incorporate the pagan appearance of deities (this is how it's spelled Shaman) into their own idea of evil's greatest champion, Satan. What I meant when discussing this is that there is nothing within the Christian texts to back up this appearance and that it was something that people attributed to their faith through the fear that seeing pagan texts produced in them.

However, I think the idea that there was some sort of socio-political plan both gives too little and too much credit to the Christians.
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