[mudling]

Ok, the toppic "Kids these days" got steered right off from it's tracks, after originally being a thread commenting on kids in general, it turned into an argument about whether beating children was appropiate, and what it's effects are, I'd thought that we'd leave skillyaslig's thread alone, and make a thread about child discipline, and more speacifically, beating your child. (Sorry if it was innappropiate to create another thread, but I thought it was).
So, argue away.
Here's some things to discuss:
Is it wrong?
What are the effects, short term and long term?
What are other possible solutions?
Who has the rights to choose whether the child deserves a beating, and who has the right to do it? (I.e. the parent, a bystander, a teacher, the child)
Does it get to the root of the problem?
What are the causes of children being shits these days (You could say lack of child abuse, but why are they shits in the first place), how can we avoid this?
and anything else you want.