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10-12-2007, 05:59 PM
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Ok, if God doesn't exist, or a God doesn't exist, or religion doesn't exist, then what's the point of doing good, what's the point of doing anything? What's the point of existing? etc.
Is it not far more admirable to do good for the sake of doing good, as opposed to doing good for a rewards and avoid the punishment? If we needed God to "referee" us, we would have laws that we enforced ourselves. The very existence of our legal system demonstrates that we can take care of morality ourselves.

I happen to think that morality, altruism etc. is evolutionarily advantageous (though this is not the reason I choose to practice it), and that religion is (in part) a manifestation of this imperative. I would be happy to explain the reasoning behind this argument later if requested.

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Even if you make a difference in our soicety, we're eventually going to crash and fall so why bother? Why bother doing anything?
That would be a good argument, if not for the fact that we all have the drive to bother. To do things, to make our living. Instinct? Perhaps. Certainly without this drive we would be extinct (in fact, anything that did lack this drive is extinct!). You may attribute this and other factors of the human condition to God, and I have no quarrel with what you believe in, but you can't say that there can be no point to anything without It. Especially when atheists are living examples of people to don't believe in God, do not attribute themselves to His cause, yet have the same imperatives as anyone else. They could be described as experiments of human behaviour in a world without the divine. I know, I'd be entirely atheist if it weren't for an unavoidable technicality in my logic

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our moral codes of acceptability, which was made under the influence of religion
As I've said before, this could easily have originated the other way around.

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why bother winning when you could do something special anyway?
Doing something special is the direct cause of the success, and is easily its own reward (and stems from our competitive instinct).
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