Havoc is in NO POSITION to tell anyone that they're stupid. No one.
Pat is evidently intelligent, and can't be said to simply go along with any particular flow. Yes yes, he does willingly swallow a great number of heavily biased sources and use them as an actual argument, but he still has a head on his shoulders.
Besides, I once got stabbed between the shoulder blades in a pub brawl, I am quite clearly far more advanced as a human being and thus my debate must be taken far more seriously than anybody else's.
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I don't think even the Time Lords have visited your timeline.
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And now he just gave a random
Doctor Who reference, I think I may love him.
Mhmm, no, I still loathe him.