[Havoc]

I'm still not hearing any alternatives from you that actualy work, btw.

Smacking can be one of the best diciplinary methods when done RIGHT. By all means, OFCOURSE you first TELL the kid he's doing wrong. You make it very clear to him that what he's doing is bad. Any normal kid will by that time stop what he/she is doing. But if the kid is just gonna go on while understanding that what he's doing is wrong, then he's doing it on purpose and that deserves a punishment, thats life. It's also how life is going to be when he's gonna grow up so you might as well teach him now.

There's action = reaction. Kid purposfully not listening and the kid gets a punishment. Thats how a kid should be raised, plain and simple. The form of punishment used is up to the parents. If you wanna take away their gameboy or take away his toys then go right ahead if you think that works. And if that works then hey, thats great. But if it doesn't, then smacking (not beating the crap out off) should do the trick just fine.

And MF, any kid above 6 can perfectly think by itself that if he knowingly does something bad he will get in trouble for it. Any kid that can't do that is retarded.