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EDIT: Havoc, you're an absolutely terrible debator. You have to try and speak to people on their terms, rather than completely rubbishing their entire belief system. You've added nothing at all for PV to respond to because none of that effects his worldview.
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Nate, the idea of a debate is not to satisfy the other party. I'm rubbing his face in reality and he's gonna have to deal with whether he likes it or not. Like I said so many times before I only debate with facts, not with feelings or personal opinions. And if people can't handle that then that either means I'm right or they are to stupid to come up with a mature response to it. PV already proved the last part with his stupid pictures and meaningless one-liners, so don't tell me I don't know how to debate. If PV was actually so convinced about what he was saying then he could have wiped the floor with everything I said in my previous post, instead he brings in a brother with down syndrome.
If someone has a different opinion then me thats fine but only if the reason for that opinion is even remotely logical. Thinking that the entire human race is better then all else is not logical, thats bullshit. Thinking that there is no such thing as 'natural selection' is just as stupid.
I'm all for a good debate but not if the people I'm debating with 1. Have a retarded view on the world. 2. Don't even allow a fraction of the other sides ideas and views inside their heads to ponder about.
Havoc