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09-18-2005, 09:19 AM
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I don't know where you got that translation from as there is no seven in those versee at all. Here are the verses properly translated,

78:31 As for the righteous, they will have success.
78:32 Gardens and vineyards.
78:33 And grapes that are ripe.
78:34 And a cup that is full.
78:35 They do not hear in it any vile talk or lies.
78:36 A reward from your Lord, in recognition for what is done.

No mention of any virgins at all in that verse but instead grapes. (It would make more sense for grapes to be in gardens and vineyards than virgins wouldn't it?)
OK. I admit I did paste that from a western site.

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There's a difference between learning from a textbook for a school assignment and actually studying the text of the Quran out of your interest using only the text and your own judgement. Have you actually ever read the Quran?
Maybe there is, but I don't want to read the 'Satanic Verses'. If I wanted to read a peaceful and inspirational religions book I'd rather read the Upanishads of Hinduism or the Tripitaka of Buddhism.
You do know that the crusades happened about 500 years after the compilation of the Quran? Just because a scholar says something or a muslim acts in a certain way does not mean it is actually the right thing to do.

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If you actually knew anything about the true history of islam and the rise of the ulama (religious scholars) and how they used their own laws and implemented them into the religion of islam them you'd be a bit more understanding.

There are two sources of jurisdiction in traditional islam; the Quran and the hadith. Now it is the second source the hadith which is responsible for some of the most barbaric, misogynistic and downright disgusting laws and actions that muslims carry out in the name of islam.

Many muslims are taught that the hadith (a huge collection of the sayings and actions of the prophet Muhammad) along with the Quran was part of the revelation from God. That being said, many muslims don't know that the hadith were written and collected over 200 years after Muhammad's death using the oral traditions of the arabs passed down from generation to generation. So with each hadith (saying) there is a chain of narration that goes something along the lines of,

A was told by B that he had heard from C that D was talking to companion E who had heard from the prophet etc.

It's a bit like chinese whispers stretched out over 200 years. Any historian would obviously discard anything from the hadith as being inaccurate, yet they are still to this day used as a source of shariah law in "muslim" countries across the world. And not only that but they are used to interpret the verses of the Quran and to also translate them. (Hence why many translators do manipulate the arabic to translate "grapes that are ripe" to "Full breasted virgins".

So in conclusion it is not the actual islam that I have a problem with, but the literature of sayings that are falsely atrributed to the prophet by the ulama and leaders.
And your point is? The Vedas were written 4,000 years ago and are considered the supreme books of Hinduism. The Aranyakas, Upanishads and Brahmanas were written some 1,000 years later yet they still form the fundamental canon of Hindu scripture. I'm sorry but Islam is not a religion that is attractive or peaceful. For example, the surpression of women. Did you know that even in a rich country like Saudi Arabia, only 27% of girls are aloowed into education by their fathers? And they have to cover themselves up completely. Frankly, I don't know why they take it.
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